Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[huds1475]

I wonder if Afzal Khan has any scientific basis for his claims? If he hasn't then given the current climate he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

What a whopper.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Dr Yvonne Doyle, Medical Director and Director of Health Protection at Public Health England said:

“Alongside the NHS Covid-19 app, PHE’s phone and web-based contact tracing will be a critical part of the Government’s strategy to get the country back on its feet.

“Taking these first steps on the Isle of Wight will help us prepare for a scale up of our contact tracing capacity, with an 18,000 strong team ensuring the contacts of confirmed COVID-19 cases are followed up and given the information they need.”

The government has collaborated internationally and learned from examples of best practice across the world, which has informed the development of a bespoke approach that is right for the unique needs of the UK. The app uses similar Bluetooth Low Energy technology to that employed by Australia, Norway, and Singapore among others.

The privacy and security of users’ data is a priority and NHSX has involved experts from the National Cyber Security Centre to advise on best practice through the app’s development. Data will only ever be used for NHS care, management, evaluation and research and the NHS will comply fully with the law around its use, including the Data Protection Act.

The Isle of Wight was chosen to trial the project because it has a single NHS Trust that covers all NHS services on the island.

Its geography as an island with a sizeable population makes it an ideal place to introduce the NHS COVID-19 app and wider testing service in its initial roll-out period.

I wonder if Afzal Khan has any scientific basis for his claims? If he hasn't then given the current climate he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.

I do believe there are or have been reports of Covid-19 disproportionally affecting the BAME Community, but I don’t believe for one minute there were any racial reasons for choosing the Isle of Wight.

To Joe Average the reason the Isle of Wight was chosen makes perfect sense, but unfortunately we will always have those in society who like to look for and try to justify conspirancey theories in everything their opposition do.

Thankfully his question and tweet will be forgotten about very quickly.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I do believe there are or have been reports of Covid-19 disproportionally affecting the BAME Community, but I don’t believe for one minute there were any racial reasons for choosing the Isle of Wight.

To Joe Average the reason the Isle of Wight was chosen makes perfect sense, but unfortunately we will always have those in society who like to look for and try to justify conspirancey theories in everything their opposition do.

Thankfully his question and tweet will be forgotten about very quickly.

I've seen that too. I've also seen today that people of blood group O are 20% less likely to catch it. Which means that statistically some or all of the other blood groups are more likely to catch it. So if BAME were over-represented in one of the blood groups more susceptible to catching Covid 19, that might explain the disproportionate effect. Like blood group B? Given that this virus seems to affect the blood, I also raised the question of whether sickle cell disease, more prevalent in the BAME community, will also affect the figures?

Unfortunately, Afzal Khan's quote will be remembered by those looking to denigrate this particular cause and by giving them ammunition he has been exceptionally stupid.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

There has definitely been a trait with BAME, and to a degree gender and age brackets within that, certainly within the cases that have come via ICU and I'd suggest their outcome and length of stay are out of line with other ethnic groups

 

[rulefan]

I've seen that too. I've also seen today that people of blood group O are 20% less likely to catch it. Which means that statistically some or all of the other blood groups are more likely to catch it.

It seems that my blood group of A is the most likely to catch it.

 

[Wolf]

It seems that my blood group of A is the most likely to catch it.

That's me done for to then...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's me done for to then...

I’ll delete the petition then.

 

[Wolf]

I’ll delete the petition then.

Keep it going it may help with the funeral costs ?

 

[chrisd]

I've seen that too. I've also seen today that people of blood group O are 20% less likely to catch it. Which means that statistically some or all of the other blood groups are more likely to catch it. So if BAME were over-represented in one of the blood groups more susceptible to catching Covid 19, that might explain the disproportionate effect. Like blood group B? Given that this virus seems to affect the blood, I also raised the question of whether sickle cell disease, more prevalent in the BAME community, will also affect the figures?

Unfortunately, Afzal Khan's quote will be remembered by those looking to denigrate this particular cause and by giving them ammunition he has been exceptionally stupid.

According to my Indian friends, the Indian race, are known/thought to have a slight genetic difference that makes them more susceptible to diabetes which in turn makes them more vulnerable if they catch covid, he also says that they generally do not prioritise keeping fit as much as, say, we Europeans do as possibly being another factor.

 

[pendodave]

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
20% contraction of the uk economy.
Cancer treatments effectively closed down for months.
I'm genuinely mystified that the politicos on here are still argueing the minutae of this when the cure for covud is (predictably) doing many orders of magnitute more damage than the disease itself.
Waje up for goodness sake you fools!!

 

[AmandaJR]

It seems that my blood group of A is the most likely to catch it.

Yikes...

 

[Ethan]

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.
20% contraction of the uk economy.
Cancer treatments effectively closed down for months.
I'm genuinely mystified that the politicos on here are still argueing the minutae of this when the cure for covud is (predictably) doing many orders of magnitute more damage than the disease itself.
Waje up for goodness sake you fools!!

This is simply not true. One of the lessons of the 1919 Spanish flu was that US cities that closed down fast and hard had the fewest deaths and the fastest economic recovery. Those who prevaricated on closedown and/or opened up too soon had a protracted and much more harmful course. The effects on the economy are bad, and we will al pay for it, but if you think they can't get any worse you are sadly mistaken.

 

[pendodave]

This is simply not true. One of the lessons of the 1919 Spanish flu was that US cities that closed down fast and hard had the fewest deaths and the fastest economic recovery. Those who prevaricated on closedown and/or opened up too soon had a protracted and much more harmful course. The effects on the economy are bad, and we will al pay for it, but if you think they can't get any worse you are sadly mistaken.

We'll have to disagree on this. There uys no sign of a wave of deaths across the bulk of the population in any countries afaik. Comparisons with Spanish flu are frankly ridiculous. If you're not very old or ill you are beyond unlikely to die of this.
On the other hand, a great many will die and have lives ruined by our current approach.
For me, the lockdown is going to kill more than the covid. And millions of those it doesn't kill by withdrawal of the nhs will have lives ruined by the educational and economic consequences.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

And today comes the first "we need a public inquiry into the Covid-19 outbreak".

OK, it is a virus that came from elsewhere in the world and that is contagious and has proven to be fatal in many cases. End of inquiry.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And today comes the first "we need a public inquiry into the Covid-19 outbreak".

OK, it is a virus that came from elsewhere in the world and that is contagious and has proven to be fatal in many cases. End of inquiry.

I thought I'd been told on here by a few people that now is not the time to judge how well the government is doing and to just get behind them. The time for assessing how well they have done will come later when we are out of this in some form of inquiry. So are we saying we can't have that either? Oh well, I will just have to assume they did a fantastic job as all the evidence is pointing that way.

 

[GB72]

I thought I'd been told on here by a few people that now is not the time to judge how well the government is doing and to just get behind them. The time for assessing how well they have done will come later when we are out of this in some form of inquiry. So are we saying we can't have that either? Oh well, I will just have to assume they did a fantastic job as all the evidence is pointing that way.

I agree that an inquiry in needed and will happen but only when there is more time on the Parliamentary slate for it. People are calling for one to start now when pretty much all parliamentary capacity is taken up by Covid and Brexit negotiations. Yes, an inquiry should happen but I would suggest it needs to be further down the line once we are out of woods on these 2 matters.

 

[bluewolf]

I agree that an inquiry in needed and will happen but only when there is more time on the Parliamentary slate for it. People are calling for one to start now when pretty much all parliamentary capacity is taken up by Covid and Brexit negotiations. Yes, an inquiry should happen but I would suggest it needs to be further down the line once we are out of woods on these 2 matters.

It’s going to be several years before we’re out of the woods on these 2 matters. And by then we’ll have buggered up something else. Meanwhile we’ll be waiting patiently for the Russia Report to be released and then the Inquiry into the Brexit Farce to be started.

So, the families of those 60,000 plus people will have to wait until when? 2025? 2030?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree that an inquiry in needed and will happen but only when there is more time on the Parliamentary slate for it. People are calling for one to start now when pretty much all parliamentary capacity is taken up by Covid and Brexit negotiations. Yes, an inquiry should happen but I would suggest it needs to be further down the line once we are out of woods on these 2 matters.

The call for an enquiry this morning has come from over 400 bereaved families.

I agree now is not the time, but I’m, currently, lucky in the fact I’ve not lost anyone, they may all be still hurting and looking for answers.

Good luck to them if it gives them some hope and focus.

 

[GB72]

The call for an enquiry this morning has come from over 400 bereaved families.

I agree now is not the time, but I’m, currently, lucky in the fact I’ve not lost anyone, they may all be still hurting and looking for answers.

Good luck to them if it gives them some hope and focus.

I do fully agree, as a bereaved family you are going to be looking for answers and much of that is going to be focused around care homes I suspect. Certainly not denying the argument for an inquiry but do see the need for realism in relation ot the timing of it and now is probably not the best time so far as it would take resources away from dealing with the current issues.

 

[Hacker Khan]

It’s going to be several years before we’re out of the woods on these 2 matters. And by then we’ll have buggered up something else. Meanwhile we’ll be waiting patiently for the Russia Report to be released and then the Inquiry into the Brexit Farce to be started.

So, the families of those 60,000 plus people will have to wait until when? 2025? 2030?

aah the Russia report. I forgot about that. Which was probably the governments intention. Sneaky buggers.....