Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

[SocketRocket]

I'll ????
I don't know who was I'll nor when but someone was probably ill.

Come on, dont you ever get an autocorrect typo. That's not clever.

 

[Rlburnside]

Huffpost

"Deputy chief medical officer Dr Jenny Harries had said at a daily Downing Street press briefing on March 24 that a small child could be considered “vulnerable” and therefore provide exemptions from the stringent rules if their carers became ill.

Harries said: “Although we are encouraging everybody to stay in their own households…clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.”

For those who were listening intently – and Cummings seems to have been among those who were – a loosening of the restrictions was seemingly

confirmed."

The trouble now even if people think he has done the correct thing or not is about trust and integrity and for most people I would suggest that has gone out the window.

There was a single parent with a autistic child who had to self isolate with a sister that was only a few miles away and they couldn’t help each other because they followed what they thought was correct.

It’s no wonder there is so much anger at the moment.

 

[Foxholer]

Got a picture of the bus with your text actually plastered down the side of it; that actual text saying the NHS was getting £350 million a week? The one I saw said we gove the EU £50 million a day, let’s fund the NHS instead. It didn’t say to what level.

To rehash an old argument - that I thought had been 'resolved' long ago....

The 350 Million figure was the 'Gross' figure - without the Rebate negotiated by Thatcher in 1984. We have never sent 350 Million/week to EU! 250 Million is about what we did/do. So plainly a lie! Here's a (fairly scathing imo) 'Fact Check' article that demonstrates the fallacy! https://fullfact.org/europe/350-million-week-boris-johnson-statistics-authority-misuse/

There are also 2 versions of that slogan - the one that appeared on the Bus/Busses. There was NO commitment to spend the 'money saved' on the NHS in that slogan, just a desire to!

However, other approved versions of the slogan(s) exist on signs and other campaign items. Here's a set of both sorts. BoJo appears, associated with some of thode that DO say 'Let's give the 350M the EU takes each week'!
https://www.google.com/search?q=350+million+for+the+nhs&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB758GB760&sxsrf=ALeKk02jvi-hxOK_5lbHJa9D8SX1KTR3Rw:1590486725687&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wMrS0hu8HUQV4M%3A%2C6dt1r0JavMtj5M%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQoGdTF8_fw-SQxXbG3LlC7vdJzsw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHsLfioNHpAhXtURUIHU6UBr4Q9QEwIHoECAoQCA#imgrc=YvmLgPK6qr6wfM

 

[Lord Tyrion]

'Michael Gove told LBC he had driven to check his eyesight, but he was "not an authority of driving" as it had taken him seven times to pass his test.'

This is getting totally absurd!

It is a good job that driving a big old hunk of metal on a public highway is a very safe, sensible and logical thing to do. After all, what could possibly go wrong if your eyesight was found wanting?

Do you think they hear themselves when they say these things?

 

[williamalex1]

I think he covered that and the reason Durham was left out of it

Ask Roger Whitaker, he sang I'm going to leave old Durham town

 

[SocketRocket]

Really any need for the grammar police comments, everybody knows what SR meant, people that sit and point out errors like this need to stop being so petty.

Thanks.
He also failed to read my signature.

 

[Foxholer]

Well, the 'Cummings Affair' HAS caused a resignation!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52806086

 

[Foxholer]

Thanks.
He also failed to read my signature.

Dear SR,
Perhaps you need to correct your Sig then!
At the moment it suggests it's YOU that might have done the 'nit picking'!
I suggest 'nit pickable...'
Love FH(/FP!)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Dr Jenny Harries had said at a daily Downing Street press briefing on March 24

Cummings developed symptoms over the weekend of March 28-29.
On Friday, a statement issued by Durham Constabulary suggested Cummings’ father had confirmed his son was self-isolating in the North East as of March 31.

My point is simply that if Cummings and others are going to use interpretation of the detail and statements of clarification to support his actions then you have to look at what was in the detail and what was actually said.

Harries said... if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child,

Now at the point that Cummings made his decision to travel, both he and his wife were both perfectly able to look after their child - and so the Harries guidance did not apply.

Got a picture of the bus with your text actually plastered down the side of it; that actual text saying the NHS was getting £350 million a week? The one I saw said we gove the EU £50 million a day, let’s fund the NHS instead. It didn’t say to what level.

It is a fact that Cummings has himself admitted/stated that the message about the money for the NHS made a massive difference to many voters...it's just a fact that that powerful message worked very well - his wordsmithing did the job intended. Cummings is a wordsmith - and he uses words very effectively in influencing readers and listeners to the end he desires. This we know.

And so when I am asked to believe what he says, I simply ask myself whether I think what he is saying is actually true, or whether what he says is simply an explanation that is attractive and that is believable.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes but I fear your reasonable points are not being considered: the 'Lynchers' have decided; mitigating circumstances will be ignored.

You are right Durham cops did NOT call (see their latest brief). Cummings senior called and explained the situation that his son was using an entirely separate cottage on the farm. The farm is jointly owned by DC and his farther. The Police were not concerned with the isolation implications and did not lecture the family but discussed the security matters related to the threats DC and his family had experienced at their London property.

Many years ago my wife experienced severe problems at childbirth and with family living over 200 miles made the trip. I'm fully aware that Covid19 was not around then but at the time Governments advice of any type would not have prevented me making the journey and so I'm prepared to cut DC some slack.

Those who suggest that others will now feel free to do as they wish are surely forgetting the idea is to protect yourself by isolating as far as it is possible. If you want to catch the virus by " me to" actions on the basis of what someone else has done just shows their own fundamental stupidity and willingness to expose themselves.

Using the term “Lynchers” does you no favours as it’s people from his own party and now an MP resigns his post who are not happy with his behaviour.

Are you genuinely saying he made no mistakes in your opinion and ALL actions were ok.

 

[rulefan]

The Government's chief legal adviser, said there had been no legal breaches by Mr Cummings despite his travelling 264 miles with his wife and four-year-old child to his parents’ farm in Durham at the end of March at the height of the Government’s lockdown.

“No laws have been broken,” she told ministers,

 

[PaulS]

The Government's chief legal adviser, said there had been no legal breaches by Mr Cummings despite his travelling 264 miles with his wife and four-year-old child to his parents’ farm in Durham at the end of March at the height of the Government’s lockdown.

“No laws have been broken,” she told ministers,

Lockdown isolation rules and guidelines were not laws

He broke the guidelines that he helped set up

 

[Blue in Munich]

OK I understand where you are coming from.

Having had a re-read, I can now see that potentially something was added regarding abuse, but it is not child specific, and it is definitely not the same section under which Cummings appears to be entitled to an exemption regarding his child, although if his claims regarding the threats are correct, he could be entitled to exemption on 2 separate grounds.

Oh, and for what it's worth the Scottish & English exemptions are pretty much identical (they probably are identical, but I haven't fully proof read them to compare them so I'm trying not to leave myself open to comments from the usual trolls & pedants [of which you are not one ] )

 

[drdel]

Using the term “Lynchers” does you no favours as it’s people from his own party and now an MP resigns his post who are not happy with his behaviour.

Are you genuinely saying he made no mistakes in your opinion and ALL actions were ok.

I ws not aware I limited my classification, that is in your head and your political intent.

Neither did I say ALL was OK, my point merely suggested extenuating circumstances and that I understood his reasoning.

I have prevously said I was reserving judgement, perhaps reading the content rather than reading what you want to see may be a hood idea.

Enjoy the lynching.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Lockdown isolation rules and guidelines were not laws

He broke the guidelines that he helped set up

And the guidelines are a simplification of the legislation, reduced to the lowest common denominator, so that the ordinary man in the street can understand them, so there will be differences between guidelines and the law. So whilst he might have broken the guidelines, did he actually break the law? And I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that.

If you tried to get the vast majority of the public to understand the actual law, you end up unconscious banging your head against a brick wall. God knows I struggled and I was used to trying to make sense of legalese, albeit a few years ago.

 

[MegaSteve]

Just back from a walk over towards the Lido... Any evidence of lockdown/distancing have absolutely disappeared into the ether... IMHO a lot of that firmly lies at the feet of government... Their spineless behaviour, over the last few days, has hardly been an indicator of leading by example...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I ws not aware I limited my classification, that is in your head and your political intent.

Neither did I say ALL was OK, my point merely suggested extenuating circumstances and that I understood his reasoning.

I have prevously said I was reserving judgement, perhaps reading the content rather than reading what you want to see may be a hood idea.

Enjoy the lynching.

Maybe practise what you preach as I have come out and said his explanation for travelling to Durham was acceptable imo.

Happy to be honest and open and have my mind changed when faced with more information, you seem to accept everything and anything someone with a blue rosette says.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

'Michael Gove told LBC he had driven to check his eyesight, but he was "not an authority of driving" as it had taken him seven times to pass his test.'

This is getting totally absurd!

They certainly seem to have pressed the 'self destruct' button.
Johnson polling dropped 20 points overnight, mind you it was only on 19 to start with.

 

[rulefan]

Any evidence of lockdown/distancing have absolutely disappeared into the ether..

More fool them.

 

[MegaSteve]

More fool them.

Not merely foolish it's downright dangerous... A 'bounce back' is the last thing we need to be facing...