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[Deleted member 18588]

That's a bit harsh. The stuff Patrick is referring to, that DC is using to justify the Durham trip, was definitely added to the guidelines after pressure over domestic/child abuse concerns. Looks like the drafting has been suitably woolly to allow a broader interpretation.

But still there is no specific reference to exceptions aptly only to children at risk.

We can't criticise politicians for twisting the facts if we then do the same.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

oh really, defllect deflect deflect... who'd have thought

Twist twist, twist......who would have thought it ?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Where and if he filled up with fuel on his return journey is surely one of the irrelevant issues as he would by then have been out of "self isolation".

The point is he said that he could remember he did not fill up on the way up, but couldn't remember where and when he did fill up, weird that,

He probably paid by card for the fuel, so fairly easy to find out the actual fact for his statement but chose not to, why?

Just begs the question, where and when did he actually fill up or did he fill up, his memory seemed pretty clear on most other parts of the story.

 

[patricks148]

Twist twist, twist......who would have thought it ?

like we did last summer

 

[Deleted member 18588]

like we did last summer

You appear to think that I am defending Cummings.

Far from it. I think he should be gone but the case against him is not helped by distorting the facts.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What Patrick stated was true, not twisting the facts. So you should drop that particular line of attack.

Not at all.

He claimed that the exceptions applied only to children at risk and that's not the case.

I accept that may have been the intention but is not what is said.

 

[patricks148]

What Patrick stated was true, not twisting the facts. So you should drop that particular line of attack.

true Kaz, i think there was even someone from the childrens panel on the news tonigh stating this, but Tory deflectors will go to any lengths to undermine the truth

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's a bit harsh. The stuff Patrick is referring to, that DC is using to justify the Durham trip, was definitely added to the guidelines after pressure over domestic/child abuse concerns. Looks like the drafting has been suitably woolly to allow a broader interpretation.

Can you provide a reference to that please, as I'm not seeing it in the two relevant pieces of legislation I've looked up. Is there the possibility that we are looking at different bits of legislation, given our respective locations?

 

[garyinderry]

Why did he think that both he and his wife would become incapacitated?

The virus was supposed to be mild for most. Many not even displaying symptoms.

As it transpired, the pair of them would have been able to look after the child between them. As many affected families had to while sticking to the rules of staying at home.

 

[Wolf]

Why did they have to go for a drive to test his eyesight, seems a rather dangerous thing to do. Why not simply let his wife drive!

 

[patricks148]

Why did they have to go for a drive to test his eyesight, seems a rather dangerous thing to do. Why not simply let his wife drive!

Same the way up he makes out he's on his deathbed, but drove up while she was feeling better.
the other bit that bothers me was the conversation they had when he came back to work when "Boris and he were both in bed together"

 

[SocketRocket]

Why did they have to go for a drive to test his eyesight, seems a rather dangerous thing to do. Why not simply let his wife drive!

I thought he said he wanted to go for a drive to see if he was well enough.

 

[SocketRocket]

Why did he think that both he and his wife would become incapacitated?

The virus was supposed to be mild for most. Many not even displaying symptoms.

As it transpired, the pair of them would have been able to look after the child between them. As many affected families had to while sticking to the rules of staying at home.

It's not like that with everyone by any means, just look at Boris. My Daughter who is 41, normally very healthy had it and was very ill, she was taken into hospital three times, it's now six weeks since it started and she still has breathing problems.

 

[Blue in Munich]

I stated it because I remember the debate about it at the time. I'm not about to go googling it for you but I'm pretty sure Jess Phillips was involved so that might be a starting point for you.

Well that seems to refer to a completely different piece of legislation to the one under which Dominic Cummings would appear to be entitled to an exemption to travel. As to whether that travel would meet the requirements of reasonable and necessary requires more information than I have.

 

[patricks148]

I thought he said he wanted to go for a drive to see if he was well enough.

you would be wrong then

 

[SocketRocket]

you would be wrong then

I may well be, that's why I said "I thought he said"

 

[patricks148]

I may well be, that's why I said "I thought he said"

nope said he discussed with his wife his eye site was suffering, so drove 30 miles away to BC to test it.. as anyone would

 

[Blue in Munich]

I thought he said he wanted to go for a drive to see if he was well enough.

you would be wrong then

From The Guardian; "Cummings said he had no physical contact with his parents but they had “shouted conversations at a distance” and that he made the trip to Barnard Castle because he was trying to work out if he was fit enough and his eyesight was good enough to drive back to London that week."

 

[SocketRocket]

nope said he discussed with his wife his eye site was suffering, so drove 30 miles away to BC to test it.. as anyone would

I've just looked at the video and he said his wife was concerned for his eyesight, he then said he went for the drive to see if he was fit enough for the return drive to London.

 

[funkycoldmedina]