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[Deleted member 16999]

Of course not. Surely their responsibility is to verify information before printing it as fact.

But it goes both ways, the poor “witness” who saw him at Barnard Castle has been absolutely slaughtered on social media by cummings supporters, I can’t see the media changing until those in the limelight stop wanting it both ways.

Look at the leaks from “trusted sources” when they want positive information or spin put on things happening.

I genuinely take all media with a pinch of salt and find the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

 

[rudebhoy]

Let's not forget that Number 10 and various ministers were saying yesterday the Barnard Castle story was a lie.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's correct, forgot that detail, but the 2nd point still stands, why did DC who was meant to be self isolating, drive to the hospital instead of getting a family member to do that?

He said there were no taxis available and he was ok to drive, didn’t leave his car, believed he, his wife and son had covid and so sending anyone else to collect them would of been risking others.

 

[AmandaJR]

Let's not forget that Number 10 and various ministers were saying yesterday the Barnard Castle story was a lie.

Actually I think they said it was "inaccurate" - sounds like they knew he'd driven there but not as implied by the press story.

 

[rudebhoy]

He said there were no taxis available and he was ok to drive, didn’t leave his car, believed he, his wife and son had covid and so sending anyone else to collect them would of been risking others.

Maybe but he was supposed to have been self isolating after having the virus. So he was definitely breaking the rules there. What if his car had broken down or if he had an accident with his dodgy eyesight?

 

[Imurg]

What if, what if......
What if the press actually got the story cast iron solidly right then we wouldn't be having these conversations because hed have resigned or been sac,ed yesterday....
The press had a couple of weeks or more to get this 10p% right and they've given him wiggle room.
I still think he has to go and will in the next few days because this isnt going away quietly..

 

[ColchesterFC]

I wish he’d if made the statement saturday or the day before, good to hear from him.

Made a fair point about security concerns on his home, but that applies to all MP’s, Celebrities and others in the public eye.

Genuinely believe his reasons for driving to Durham, but took it more as a father/husband in panic mode and looking for the “legal” reason to be able to do it rather than him thinking straight and I can understand it.

Barnard Castle trip, (apart from the “witness” needing an apology from some) sorry but that’s were I have my doubts, if he was doing it as a test, why take his wife and child with him and risk them? Couldn’t he of simply drove himself as the test and if the comeback is his wife may of needed to keep an eye on him, why not leave the kid with the cousins?

As for other allegations about the other trip, again a statement released yesterday would of stopped them in their tracks.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and now it’s obvious he didn’t need to go to Durham, but at the time he was a “rabbit caught in the headlights” and made what he believed (and I believe him) to be a legal decision.

Hopefully it will fizzle out now and we can focus on the crisis.

Hurrah, all is right with the world again. I'm back to disagreeing with Paul.

By his own admission he broke lock down rules before even leaving London. He went home from work because they thought his wife had the virus and rather than self isolating he then went back to work, potentially infecting others. That alone undermines the Government message to stay at home and isolate if anyone in your household has symptoms. I find it very hard to believe that they drove all the way to Durham without stopping on their way up there (4 year olds aren't known for their bladder capacity) and I don't believe the Barnard Castle story. To me the reason that all those supporting him over the weekend were very vague in their answers to the Barnard Castle story was because they hadn't had time to come up with an explanation/excuse for it.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Hurrah, all is right with the world again. I'm back to disagreeing with Paul.

By his own admission he broke lock down rules before even leaving London. He went home from work because they thought his wife had the virus and rather than self isolating he then went back to work, potentially infecting others. That alone undermines the Government message to stay at home and isolate if anyone in your household has symptoms. I find it very hard to believe that they drove all the way to Durham without stopping on their way up there (4 year olds aren't known for their bladder capacity) and I don't believe the Barnard Castle story. To me the reason that all those supporting him over the weekend were very vague in their answers to the Barnard Castle story was because they hadn't had time to come up with an explanation/excuse for it.

Non stop to Durham is easy with a small kid, did it tens of times living in London and visiting in-laws.

Like I put above, he panic’d imo, maybe under pressure from his wife, and as of today, neither have been tested for covid-19, so can’t categorically state he shouldn’t have gone back to work.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Non stop to Durham is easy with a small kid, did it tens of times living in London and visiting in-laws.

Like I put above, he panic’d imo, maybe under pressure from his wife, and as of today, neither have been tested for covid-19, so can’t categorically state he shouldn’t have gone back to work.

That wasn't what the guidelines said though. If anyone in the household displayed symptoms then everyone had to isolate and stay at home.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That wasn't what the guidelines said though. If anyone in the household displayed symptoms then everyone had to isolate and stay at home.

cummings explained they couldn’t put every example of what you could and couldn’t do in the guidelines.

Obviously with the PM being ill, someone had run the country

 

[Hacker Khan]

Boris had no credible answers apart from wash your hands.

He's now saying Cummings eyesight guff is credible. Attacking the guardian for the one incorrect story ignoring all the stuff that was 100% correct. Best of luck UK, it's pretty clear why he's been mostly missing in action recently, finish the press conference as quickly as possible, seems he's not quite up to it.

 

[patricks148]

the lock down rule he is quoting is spec for children that are in an abuse situation, not a rich person can use it to visit his parents.
but in summary,,, big boy done it and ran away... the dog eat my homework... etc, etc. or its the media's fault.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Happy to be called out on this but I cannot recall any press/public hounding of Cummings in his house at the time he was mentioning. [Before Durham trip]
Did he just make this up?

 

[patricks148]

Happy to be called out on this but I cannot recall any press/public hounding of Cummings in his house at the time he was mentioning. [Before Durham trip]
Did he just make this up?

no its all the media's fault

 

[North Mimms]

The Press have been asking Downing Street about this trip for weeks.
If they had cleared it up in April it would have been a complete non story.
Refusing to comment until forced to made the whole thing worse.
Plus there were denials about the Bernard castle trip and the police visit; DC confirmed the former, Durham police the latter.

Frankly it's a PR disaster which could and should have been better handled.
The stalling, denials and drip feed of facts is a Lesson in Bad PR

 

[rulefan]

the lock down rule he is quoting is spec for children that are in an abuse situation, not a rich person can use it to visit his parents

He didn't visit his parents.
But can you quote the words of the exception relating to children and show why it doesn't apply to his situation?

 

[Jimaroid]

I found it very interesting that we finally got to hear directly from the man who's reputed to weave long intricate stories into well crafted narratives. So colour me surprised when we heard a long intricate story crafted into a narrative of no wrong.

I genuinely do believe that he believes what he's saying, by the way. However that inability to externalise his own behaviour is also the entirety of the burning issue.

 

[fundy]

Just a straight race to the bottom between the government and the press it seems, arrogance abounds and the lack of humiility or apologies undermines the trust of all but the staunchest of supporters.

The sad thing is as a country we are now in a worse situation, with a weakened government at a time when we really could do with the opposite to get us through both this pandemic and the Brexit negotiations

 

[PaulS]

He didn't visit his parents.
But can you quote the words of the exception relating to children and show why it doesn't apply to his situation?

So that exception include going for a drive to a castle to test your eyesight and also does it allow you to break self isolation rules ?

 

[patricks148]

He didn't visit his parents.
But can you quote the words of the exception relating to children and show why it doesn't apply to his situation?

according to him.. as other say look it up for yourself , rather than me do you work for you.. FYI i spoke todaywith a Social worker who highlighted this to me ...but what does he know