Kellfire
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Report them. It’s so clearly the right thing to do.
Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...
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North Mimms
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Couldn't Rees-Mogg have loaned him Nanny for a few days?
AmandaJR
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Indeed. For all we know she would be the last person he'd allow to care for his child.
It seems odd that they have no network of friends in London who could help but...then again...how could they expect them to expose themselves and their family to the virus.
It must be the gaslighting but I'm coming around to his side and also Boris standing firm and not allowing a kangaroo court to force his hand.
drdel
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The rush to condem is quite sad. There has been numerous cases of press allegations turning out to be false: they pay compensation and move to the next vendetta without a blink or ounce of care for the person wronged.
I'd venture to say no-one knows exactly what has transpired and yet lynchers are now prepared to string up the PM without a shred of evidence he lied. The exact reason DC did what he did is unkown. For example he is not stupid and there is always the possibility that he, his wife or his young son have medical conditions that meant he needed the potential to call upon family support. Pure speculation on my part but there could be a host of other private and confidential reasons behind the actions that are no business of outsiders. He, as everyone, is entitled to the benefit of being believed. If he is proven wrong he should accept the consequences in the meantime my judgement is reserved.
We can all see that the media have decided he has to go; if they succeed in trial by the press We should be worried, natural justice will be the price.
I'd venture to say no-one knows exactly what has transpired and yet lynchers are now prepared to string up the PM without a shred of evidence he lied. The exact reason DC did what he did is unkown. For example he is not stupid and there is always the possibility that he, his wife or his young son have medical conditions that meant he needed the potential to call upon family support. Pure speculation on my part but there could be a host of other private and confidential reasons behind the actions that are no business of outsiders. He, as everyone, is entitled to the benefit of being believed. If he is proven wrong he should accept the consequences in the meantime my judgement is reserved.
We can all see that the media have decided he has to go; if they succeed in trial by the press We should be worried, natural justice will be the price.
road2ruin
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I would agree with the tendency for the people to jump all over others without evidence but there are things about this which are really odd.
His wife wrote subsequent articles in the Spectator and in none of those did they mention the trip to Durham. They were lighthearted and the entire experience seems to have been enjoyable. She implies in one particle article that they were still in London at the end of their quarantine. In my opinion they new exactly what they were up to and have tried to hide it.
PaulS
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It’s not just the press though is it
Lots of MP’s have come out today and stated how they feel about it all and it’s not positive , many of the general public are appalled by it .
Many of us can’t travel 2 miles to see parents or children yet he drives up all the way the country
He is a key worker , there are a number of options open for him to gain childcare.
It’s quite clear it’s all opinion based j political bias - if it was an Labour “aide” then I have no doubt the response would be remarkably different with a number of people.
The PM gave a very strong message a couple of months ago and the public followed it - it’s a shame his own staff couldn’t
SatchFan
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You're probably right KF, but I'm seriously outnumbered. If I could do it anonymously I would but I reckon they would guess it was me by a process of elimination. As I'm not looking to move for at least 20 years I think I will have to remain the silent minority.
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Not just the media, an awful lot of Tory voters and MPs too who can see through the BS, even if you choose to ignore it. The Conservative party benefit hugely from favourable press, far more than other political parties. Moaning about the press is a bit rich. This stuff happended late March when people were in serious fear and in serious lockdown. Cummings ignored his official advice to suit, cared not about spreading the virus into the NE and that for a political figure is a resignation issue, he should not even have brought Boris Johnson into this mess.
Durham police now have new official complaints to deal with. Hundreds have died there. This is serious. Cummings arrogance only makes it worse.
Blue in Munich
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Bit like the way you side stepped the question above then; does that make you as bad as Boris then?
Blue in Munich
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If he is as much the anti-Christ as he is being painted, I'd be surprised if he had any friends at all Amanda.
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Poor cummings, nope, not for me.
He knew exactly what he was doing and his wife was complicit.
Quite easily clear his name by proving his whereabouts on the dates mentioned.
Instead they’ll spin it until the nasty media (who he has used and abused for years) become the guilty party.
Sue the media, call out the witness’s or simply hide behind his spineless boss.
Slightly pedantic, his wife doesn’t have any sisters, she has 3 brothers, 1 of which lives in London, but that does not alter the thoughts or comments on people trusting family or not.
He knew exactly what he was doing and his wife was complicit.
Quite easily clear his name by proving his whereabouts on the dates mentioned.
Instead they’ll spin it until the nasty media (who he has used and abused for years) become the guilty party.
Sue the media, call out the witness’s or simply hide behind his spineless boss.
Slightly pedantic, his wife doesn’t have any sisters, she has 3 brothers, 1 of which lives in London, but that does not alter the thoughts or comments on people trusting family or not.
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Bit like the way you side stepped the question above then; does that make you as bad as Boris then?
Just because she's family no it doesn't make her automically a choice however who looks after his child normally? Is it just his wife? No help around at all? No friends that would help?
So the ONLY option was somebody 260 miles away when we must ALL stay at home. Stay safe . Protect the NHS
Im sure a grown man could sort something quicker than it would have taken him to drive to Durham
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User62651
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Even the Daily Mail sensing the public dismay -
Foxholer
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Wrong (imo) in this case! Natural justice will be the winner!
Backache
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The nature of risk and trust in a lockdown is that you are asking a huge number of people to undertake a great many privations which are often of little benefit to themselves in order to benefit the rest of society. Young people who a great virtually no risk to themselves of serious disease are losing jobs and unable to see their friends . Many others are unable to visit dying relatives.
Many millions of people in this country have acted highly altruistically in order to support others this has been policy implemented by and actions demanded by the government.
In order to maintain support for these actions and others in the future it is vital that they retain the confidence of the public. If their own favoured ones are seen to be flouting the rules this support will be lost.
If Cummings has a genuine and legitimate reason for his actions the Prime Minister has to be absolutely clear . If there is a medical condition he needs to state this he need not state what it is.
Without such clear statement his actions appear selfcentered and arrogant and he will lose public confidencs at a time when he has to retain it. This is not the doing of the press it is the awful communication and obfustication by Cummings and the government.
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Have seen a few Piers Morgan tweets I've agreed with over the last few days and now a front page on that rag.... I'm starting to worry about my moral compass
Seriously, though, if the tories have even lost the DM they're in trouble
Tonight was true test of government
Cummings has had far too much power for a while. Sajid Javid told he could only stay on as chancellor if he sacked his advisors and hired ones Cummings had picked. To his credit javid resigned. Massive respect to him. Could have just kept the job.
If Boris had sacked him it would be a true statement of nobody is above the government. Cummings is unelected so we can do bugger all about him being in the position he is. Boris has shown the puppet master must be obeyed.
The left moaned he should have gone but him staying has prob cost more faith in Boris' leadership than most of the other handlings so far.
Everything else that's been done wrong he has acted on advice, later , delayed, mistakes happen. This wasn't a mistake. Time was taken over this decision and it wasn't a hard one.
Well done Boris.
Hacker Khan
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Blue in Munich
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More deflection from the original question; are you sure you're not Boris?
ColchesterFC
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Recently I have found myself agreeing with Hacker Khan, pauldj42 and DfT.
Help me......
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How on earth was that a deflection ? Or are you just deflecting because I answered your question and now you have nothing to add ... Standard
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