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I see Steve Baker, him of the ERG, has broken cover and said Cummings must go. Interesting to see if any other tory MPs will follow.
Not a single peep from Scots Tory politicians on twitter for nearly 48 hours now.
Schnapps [the guy used a false name to claim a second income and lied to Parliament officials] now on a 'I do not know' rinse and repeat on Marr.
Tory party seem to be turning on Johnson.
 
Crazy that full facts were seemingly not known by Schapps. He was a rabbit in the headlights. However mnuch Boris likes and values him, the government's credibilty will deteriorate by the day unless they get rid of Cummings
 
Schapps stated he knows it’s not true that cummings made a second trip to durham, if he’s that positive, prove it, embarrass the papers and move on.

Surely cummings can prove were he was on those alleged dates.
 
Schapps stated he knows it’s not true that cummings made a second trip to durham, if he’s that positive, prove it, embarrass the papers and move on.

Surely cummings can prove were he was on those alleged dates.
I suspect that Government Ministers May be a little reluctant to defend Cummings at the moment as they don’t yet know how much information the journalists have.
They’ve been embarrassed once by tweeting out their support, only for the Guardian/Mirror to release more incriminating information.
Can you imagine what would happen if Ministers were to insist the Cummings hadn’t travelled back North only for the papers to release photos tonight!
 
Crazy that full facts were seemingly not known by Schapps. He was a rabbit in the headlights. However mnuch Boris likes and values him, the government's credibilty will deteriorate by the day unless they get rid of Cummings

Particularly when Sky gave him a set of specific questions yesterday so that he had time to provide specific answers today. Which he failed to do.
 
Schapps stated he knows it’s not true that cummings made a second trip to durham, if he’s that positive, prove it, embarrass the papers and move on.

Surely cummings can prove were he was on those alleged dates.

It is for the accusers to provide the proof: the accused only needs provide a defence if he/she chooses. With an impatient media it is best to say nothing, It is not a Court.

Newspapers are used to being sued and just assume few people have the resources to take them on, if they lose it is the company that pays not the individual journalist.

Truth is an ideal rarely found in the press or politics.
 
The daily briefing questions are selected by an independent company.

Yes they are but you've missed the point. Yesterday Sky sent Schapps the list of questions that they were going to ask him this morning so that he could get the answers. And yet even with that advance warning he still failed to answer some of the questions.
 
Sir Roger Gale MP
@SirRogerGale
While as a father and as a grandfather I fully appreciate Mr Cummings’ desire to protect his child. There cannot be one law for the Prime Minister’s staff and another for everyone else. He has sent out completely the wrong message and his position is no longer tenable.



Damian Collins
@DamianCollins

Dominic Cummings has a track record of believing that the rules don’t apply to him and treating the scrutiny that should come to anyone in a position of authority with contempt. The government would be better without him.

looks like the tide is turning.
 
Yes they are but you've missed the point. Yesterday Sky sent Schapps the list of questions that they were going to ask him this morning so that he could get the answers. And yet even with that advance warning he still failed to answer some of the questions.
Ridge played a blinder by letting them know what the questions were going to be. It made Schapps look incredibly unprepared when he couldn’t/wouldn’t answer them.
 
... However mnuch Boris likes and values him, the government's credibilty will deteriorate by the day unless they get rid of Cummings
FWIW, While I detest Cummings's arrogance and BoJo's apparent entire dependence on him (rather like Blair and whatshisname of the 'Dodgy Dossier'), I have some (a tiny amount of) sympathy for him if his story about his trip to Durham is real and accurate! But if he is simply flouting the rules - and the '2nd offence' turns out to be legit, then I believe he has to go!

This is a classic UK Press driven PR disaster for a government - whatever happens - and, potentially, another coup for 'The Press' - if Cummings is finally ditched cf holds hands up and 'walks' like others hav. While I believe 'The Press' are an essential element of UK democracy, I'd prefer it was founded on irrefutable logic (as much of the 'Dodgy Dossier' commentary was) rather than the (gutter level imo) tactics that seem to have been adopted in this instance!
 
It is for the accusers to provide the proof: the accused only needs provide a defence if he/she chooses. With an impatient media it is best to say nothing, It is not a Court.

Newspapers are used to being sued and just assume few people have the resources to take them on, if they lose it is the company that pays not the individual journalist.

Truth is an ideal rarely found in the press or politics.
I totally understand that, and given how they handled yesterday I didn’t believe he would go, with the 2nd accusations it’s switched the focus on to No 10 and the Cabinet members who backed him.

The issue is now wider than just cummings and his relationship with boris.

The government will need to destroy the story, imo, to make it go away, simply denying it will not be enough.
 
FWIW, While I detest Cummings's arrogance and BoJo's apparent entire dependence on him (rather like Blair and whatshisname of the 'Dodgy Dossier'), I have some (a tiny amount of) sympathy for him if his story about his trip to Durham is real and accurate! But if he is simply flouting the rules - and the '2nd offence' turns out to be legit, then I believe he has to go!

This is a classic UK Press driven PR disaster for a government - whatever happens - and, potentially, another coup for 'The Press' - if Cummings is finally ditched cf holds hands up and 'walks' like others hav. While I believe 'The Press' are an essential element of UK democracy, I'd prefer it was founded on irrefutable logic (as much of the 'Dodgy Dossier' commentary was) rather than the (gutter level imo) tactics that seem to have been adopted in this instance!


I'm no lover of the press, but I don't think you can call this gutter level journalism. They were aware from early April he was at his parents. They didn't doorstep his parents estate or hassle the family. They tried to get confirmation on a number of occasions from No 10 who refused to comment. Finally they got the evidence they needed from the police, and published. I'd call that good old-fashioned journalism.
 
Why are so many on here getting so lathered up over this and constantly needing to reassure themselves of their opinion.
The situation will resolve its self one way or another no matter what any of us think about it. It's fine to hold a strong opinion but has anyone not expressed it enough times.
And yes the pot and kettle are indeed black before any suggests it.
 
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