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[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You know - it is possible to be very grateful to ministers who were fully behind Brexit as MPs or who were already ministers - and who spoke well about leaving - but to look now and accept that many of them are frankly rubbish about everything else.

There is no law of nature that says that Brexit supporting ministers must be supported no matter what; that whatever they do or say must be rationalised into acceptance - just because they supported Brexit.

Maybe, just maybe - supporting Brexit was as good as it was ever going to get with some of them - and a change is required, and they can be stood down with grateful thanks.

And so today we find the usual suspects rallying behind Jenrick despite the evidence in front of us; and shrugging or diverting when Zahawi tells us that we can buy access to MPs and ministers to punt our latest money-making scheme by buying a ticket for a Troy-party fundraising event. And that he said this quite openly, unashamedly and as a matter of fact is just OK.

 

[clubchamp98]

Can they not stipulate that the developer has to build the school and a walk in centre etc as part of the contract.
So they need so many new school places for so many houses .
Or is that to simple.

 

[chrisd]

And it is a massive loss to Tower Hamlets given the social deprivation and housing issues that council has to deal with.

So it may have, or may not have, been better the push the plan through as no development = possibly no housing, but no £40m = 1500 apartments, but builders only build for profit

 

[clubchamp98]

You know - it is possible to be very grateful to ministers who were fully behind Brexit as MPs or who were already ministers - and who spoke well about leaving - but to look now and accept that many of them are frankly rubbish about everything else.

There is no law of nature that says that Brexit supporting ministers must be supported no matter what; that whatever they do or say must be rationalised into acceptance - just because they supported Brexit.

Maybe, just maybe - supporting Brexit was as good as it was ever going to get with some of them - and a change is required, and they can be stood down with grateful thanks.

And so today we find the usual suspects rallying behind Jenrick despite the evidence in front of us; and shrugging or diverting when Zahawi tells us that we can buy access to MPs and ministers to punt our latest money-making scheme by buying a ticket for a Troy-party fundraising event. And that he said this quite openly, unashamedly and as a matter of fact is just OK.

I think that’s always been the case .
Just lots have not been caught.

 

[chrisd]

Can they not stipulate that the developer has to build the school and a walk in centre etc as part of the contract.
So they need so many new school places for so many houses .
Or is that to simple.

Not too simple. The pre app meetings will let the Council say what they think of the plan and insist/recommend what the plan needs, what their red lines are, how much for planning gain and the cost of achieving planning permission

 

[clubchamp98]

So it may have, or may not have, been better the push the plan through as no development = possibly no housing, but no £40m = 1500 apartments, but builders only build for profit

Yes but I would rather pay the tax and make a profit on the contract than not do anything at all and make nothing.
So the tax must be hurting the profit more than we know.

 

[Foxholer]

Yes but I would rather pay the tax and make a profit on the contract than not do anything at all and make nothing.
So the tax must be hurting the profit more than we know.

Unless I could likely make a better profit by investing the money elsewhere!

 

[Foxholer]

Not too simple. The pre app meetings will let the Council say what they think of the plan and insist/recommend what the plan needs, what their red lines are, how much for planning gain and the cost of achieving planning permission

That sounds too much like the Council is 'negotiating a deal' as opposed to 'checking that the proposal is likely to comply with Planning regs'/Council 'Grand Scheme'! Surely there are 'standards' that prevent that sort of thing (with a small amount of 'wiggle room' for both sides)! Or am I being naive?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Evidence of what is being seen on beaches; in parks, and by lakes across the country is that many either don't understand; choose to not understand, or choose to ignore. I just can't see this turning out well...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Can they not stipulate that the developer has to build the school and a walk in centre etc as part of the contract.
So they need so many new school places for so many houses .
Or is that to simple.

They can - however see Trump and Aberdeen and ask how much of the housing and facilities promised off the back of the golf course have been delivered.

 

[Mudball]

The great British common sense...... Just add alcohol

 

[Mudball]

And here is Boris new Air force One.... A million quid to make a cheap BA knockoff

 

[Wolf]

And here is Boris new Air force One.... A million quid to make a cheap BA knockoff

So basically they painted a Voyager white with a Union Flag tail.

Utterly pointless waste of money.

 

[rulefan]

Evidence of what is being seen on beaches; in parks, and by lakes across the country is that many either don't understand; choose to not understand, or choose to ignore. I just can't see this turning out well...

 

[Beezerk]

The great British common sense...... Just add alcohol

Aaah, the old act like an absolute knob turd and then blame someone else routine ?

 

[huds1475]

The great British common sense...... Just add alcohol

That's the easiest where's Wally I've ever seen.

Spoiler - everywhere!

 

[chrisd]

That sounds too much like the Council is 'negotiating a deal' as opposed to 'checking that the proposal is likely to comply with Planning regs'/Council 'Grand Scheme'! Surely there are 'standards' that prevent that sort of thing (with a small amount of 'wiggle room' for both sides)! Or am I being naive?

Naive to some extent. I had a pre app planning meeting with the local council about a week back ,and there was a certain amount of horse trading. They said at the very beginning that the site (a club) was extremely interesting for a development but we discussed quite a few smaller issues, not least to assure them that the future of the club was guaranteed. There was horse trading over the detail of the plan eg what we didnt want to spend money on against frills they wanted to see.

The legally bit comes when we put in the actual application

 

[clubchamp98]

Unless I could likely make a better profit by investing the money elsewhere!

Possibly but there can’t be many better housing markets to make mega bucks than London!

 

[clubchamp98]

They can - however see Trump and Aberdeen and ask how much of the housing and facilities promised off the back of the golf course have been delivered.

That should have been ring fenced in the legal contract.
If you don’t build the houses the course and hotel dosnt open.

 

[Old Skier]

That should have been ring fenced in the legal contract.
If you don’t build the houses the course and hotel dosnt open.

Who oversees the planning application I wonder, planning has always been a farce.