Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Ethan]

This one? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
There are others too - including at least 1 that mentions UK.

That is a letter rather than a peer-reviewed study, so more info would be needed. The author is something of a vaccination skeptic. It would not be surprising if, at initial assessment when a PCR would typically be done, the unvaccinated and partially or full vaccinated carry the same amount of virus. The vaccine is not a forcefield. But it would also be important to know about the replication of virus in people, and it would be surprising if virus replicated to a similar degree in all, and that is probably a more important driver of transmissibility than initial infection load.

It also misses the point that those who develop symptoms over-represent the unvaccinated.

His argument is a bit like saying that people who wear seat belts and who smash their faces into the windscreens anyway suffer as much damage as those who don't wear seat belts and smash their faces. Therefore seat belts confer no real benefit.

 

[road2ruin]

It's not, it's to protect everyone. Including those that are unable to get the vaccine

And just to add, just listened to an interview on the radio with a member of the JCVI about why vaccinations were being offered to 5-11yr olds. She went through the thinking, pro's and con's but one of the things she did say is that with the the new variant the transmission was comparable for those who are vaxxed vs those who are unvaxxed so that pretty much ruins your argument.

The reasons given were to protect the child against a possible future variant that may be more harmful rather than a protection of the population.

 

[Foxholer]

Well as you haven’t checked today’s reported number for England is Friday’s number 11-2-22, not a weekend. The previous Friday was 1186, this Friday it was 996.

And numbers for England on Monday are back over 1100, conforming to the pattern I observed some time back - that numbers seem to drop over weekend, then increase for the working week. Reporting issues? Desperate working carers?

 

[D-S]

And numbers for England on Monday are back over 1100, conforming to the pattern I observed some time back - that numbers seem to drop over weekend, then increase for the working week. Reporting issues? Desperate working carers?

Still 8% lower than the same day last week and patients in hospital continue their steady drop, passing the 10,000 threshold today. The direction of travel is still positive.

 

[Foxholer]

Still 8% lower than the same day last week and patients in hospital continue their steady drop, passing the 10,000 threshold today. The direction of travel is still positive.

Agreed! As I've previously asserted (and/but forgot to repeat in the post you quoted) the trend is down, which is good news.

 

[WGCRider]

This is the new "most stupid post" of the 25,590.

You're probably right - let me clarify.

I think that if people who have refused the vaccine get ill they should be treated by someone who has "researched" how to treat them online - preferably research from facebook. Also best if this treatment takes place in a hospital car park rather than on a ward.

 

[bobmac]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext

Thanks.
A little out of date I think.

Updated Feb 1st 2022
''The omicron subvariant is more contagious, but vaccinated people are less likely to spread it, study finds''
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/31/the...are-less-likely-to-spread-it-study-finds.html

 

[WGCRider]

And just to add, just listened to an interview on the radio with a member of the JCVI about why vaccinations were being offered to 5-11yr olds. She went through the thinking, pro's and con's but one of the things she did say is that with the the new variant the transmission was comparable for those who are vaxxed vs those who are unvaxxed so that pretty much ruins your argument.

The reasons given were to protect the child against a possible future variant that may be more harmful rather than a protection of the population.

I don't disagree that when it comes to children there are still lessons to be learnt about how best to manage a pandemic. That said, I'd judge you to be a fool if you refused the MMR or 6 in 1 (polio, hep b, whooping cough etc.) vaccine for you child. And would judge someone similarly with the covid vaccine. It's clearly part of any solution.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Her grandparents are triple vaxxed so they'll be fine thank you. The vaccine is to the protect the individual and, at present, I am yet to be convinced that it's needed for that age group. That may change in the future but not yet.

Elderly neighbours and others over 50yrs, assume they will have had the vaccine if offered and that gives lots of protection, we'll give the vaccine based on what it does for our daughter, not others.



BTW, this is one of the stupidest comparisons I've ever seen on this forum and that really takes some doing.

Your first sentence clearly implies you think anyone triple vaxxed is protected and will not get ill,or die. I think you are hundred per cent wrong on that.

 

[road2ruin]

I don't disagree that when it comes to children there are still lessons to be learnt about how best to manage a pandemic. That said, I'd judge you to be a fool if you refused the MMR or 6 in 1 (polio, hep b, whooping cough etc.) vaccine for you child. And would judge someone similarly with the covid vaccine. It's clearly part of any solution.

I wouldn’t/haven’t refused those vaccines as they can prove to be dangerous to the child. I don’t look at Covid in the same way and that’s also reflected by the split in the scientists.

You have your opinion but it’s just that, it’s not particularly backed by science as it’s its marginal at best. It’s personal decision and that, for the time being, is the one we’ve made.

 

[road2ruin]

Your first sentence clearly implies you think anyone triple vaxxed is protected and will not get ill,or die. I think you are hundred per cent wrong on that.

Rubbish. I’m well aware the vaccine is t full proof but as the JCVI doctor said today, with Omicron, the transmission levels between vaxxed and unvaxxed and similar so getting my daughter vaccinated isn’t going to do much to stop the spread or protect others. Our decision is based on solely the benefits to her health and we’re not at a point that we would have her vaccinated. That may well change in the coming months/years.

 

[Hobbit]

One of the local bowling clubs arranged a trip to Benidorm for 4 days from last Wednesday. 20 odd went, all triple jabbed, and 4 now have Covid. Interclub winter league cancelled for 10 days.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Rubbish. I’m well aware the vaccine is t full proof but as the JCVI doctor said today, with Omicron, the transmission levels between vaxxed and unvaxxed and similar so getting my daughter vaccinated isn’t going to do much to stop the spread or protect others. Our decision is based on solely the benefits to her health and we’re not at a point that we would have her vaccinated. That may well change in the coming months/years.

I'm sure @Ethan will be able to confirm or deny this but isn't it that if infected the transmission levels between vaxxed and unvaxxed are pretty similar but those who are vaxxed are less likely to get it so therefore have a lower chance of spreading it?

I'm not arguing against your decision to not get your daughter vaxxed as that is entirely a matter for you, your other half and your daughter.

 

[hovis]

I could also do with some education here. The vacine doesn't seem to do much as far as transmission goes. With that in mind why would I vax my 7 year old daughter? I am first to admit I am not savy when it comes to covid. The more I read the more confused I get

 

[Foxholer]

Rubbish. I’m well aware the vaccine is t full proof but as the JCVI doctor said today, with Omicron, the transmission levels between vaxxed and unvaxxed and similar so getting my daughter vaccinated isn’t going to do much to stop the spread or protect others. Our decision is based on solely the benefits to her health and we’re not at a point that we would have her vaccinated. That may well change in the coming months/years.

Apologies if you've already answered this, but why WOULDN'T you though?

 

[Hobbit]

I could also do with some education here. The vacine doesn't seem to do much as far as transmission goes. With that in mind why would I vax my 7 year old daughter? I am first to admit I am not savy when it comes to covid. The more I read the more confused I get

If your daughter has an underlying condition you don’t know about, she might need that extra bit of protection. Our youngest son had a heart condition that manifested itself at around 5 years old. Nothing major, and since sorted, but with that in mind I’d be getting them jabbed.

Each to their own. If someone is wary and decides no, their choice. Totally respect that choice. We each do, or did, what we think is best.

 

[Leftitshort]

Apologies if you've already answered this, but why WOULDN'T you though?

Are you questioning why he won’t get his 7 year old vaccinated? Not really anything to do with you is it?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Rubbish. I’m well aware the vaccine is t full proof but as the JCVI doctor said today, with Omicron, the transmission levels between vaxxed and unvaxxed and similar so getting my daughter vaccinated isn’t going to do much to stop the spread or protect others. Our decision is based on solely the benefits to her health and we’re not at a point that we would have her vaccinated. That may well change in the coming months/years.

This answer is not anything to do with what I said. My brief sentence was talking only about your first sentence. Read it again.
The rest of your argument about your daughter and your decision etc is something that I haven't commented on, am not commenting on, nor do I wish to comment on?

 

[larmen]

If your daughter has an underlying condition you don’t know about, she might need that extra bit of protection. Our youngest son had a heart condition that manifested itself at around 5 years old. Nothing major, and since sorted, but with that in mind I’d be getting them jabbed.

Each to their own. If someone is wary and decides no, their choice. Totally respect that choice. We each do, or did, what we think is best.

Our 5 y/o got invited last week because he is monitored based on my condition. He just came out of a covid infection anyway, we think that means he has to wait 12 weeks anyway? He has his annual checkup at Great Ormond well before that, going to get advise then. We are all boostered and recovered in the house otherwise.

 

[Foxholer]

Are you questioning why he won’t get his 7 year old vaccinated? Not really anything to do with you is it?

I'm not 'questioning', as it's a parent's right. Just trying to understand the reasoning. No different to my attitude re Djokovic's decision(s).
FWIW, there a hefty chunk of 'Pot and Kettle' about your post!