Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Leftitshort]

I'm not 'questioning', as it's a parent's right. Just trying to understand the reasoning. No different to my attitude re Djokovic's decision(s).
FWIW, there a hefty chunk of 'Pot and Kettle' about your post!

Without raising the question mark nonsense again, it was clearly a question….one of these indicates that ??. Therefore you were questioning. Not really your place to question why anyone won’t get their child vaccinated. Not sure what you mean by the last bit, but most of the stuff you post is irrelevant gibberish. However it’s not your place to question the OP. I’ve not had my (older) kids vaccinated, ask me why?

 

[ExRabbit]

Currently realising how hard it is to remember to keep a distance from my wife in the house - she tested positive this afternoon. I'm currently negative and will try to keep it that way so at least one of us can leave the house if necessary.

Spent a good 15 minutes reading all of the current rules!

 

[Foxholer]

Without raising the question mark nonsense again, it was clearly a question….one of these indicates that ??. Therefore you were questioning. Not really your place to question why anyone won’t get their child vaccinated. Not sure what you mean by the last bit, but most of the stuff you post is irrelevant gibberish. However it’s not your place to question the OP. I’ve not had my (older) kids vaccinated, ask me why?

Your conclusion that I was 'questioning' (aka 'challenging') his/their decision is simply wrong. I was merely asking, which is, of course, a question. Thus the '?'! I'm not challenging his decision.
But, as I posted, none of this is really any of your business anyway!

 

[RichA]

Without raising the question mark nonsense again, it was clearly a question….one of these indicates that ??. Therefore you were questioning. Not really your place to question why anyone won’t get their child vaccinated. Not sure what you mean by the last bit, but most of the stuff you post is irrelevant gibberish. However it’s not your place to question the OP. I’ve not had my (older) kids vaccinated, ask me why?

There's an easy way to avoid having your private decisions questioned and that's to not publish them on the internet.

 

[Leftitshort]

There's an easy way to avoid having your private decisions questioned and that's to not publish them on the internet.

Yep that’s what this place is renowned for. Balanced, sympathetic discussion. One that would take a parents’ personal decision and treat it with sensitivity. In reality he’d have to defend it against a pack of geriatric bores displaying myopic self interest. You’re right he’s best not sharing

 

[hovis]

I'm not 'questioning', as it's a parent's right. Just trying to understand the reasoning. No different to my attitude re Djokovic's decision(s).
FWIW, there a hefty chunk of 'Pot and Kettle' about your post!

I don't mind people questioning my thoughts. I'm asking the question about my 7 year old daughter because why would I put her through the fright of having a needle in her arm (she's petrified of them) for something that for her is a runny nose. Also, we don't know about long term effects of the vacines yet. I'm happy to gamble with my health because it's a justified. If the vacine stopped the rate of transmission by a good amount then I'd have it done in a heart beat. I'm not an anti vader by a long stretch. I just remember the government saying early on the the risk benefit isn't there for younger people. What's changed? Genuine question

 

[road2ruin]

Apologies if you've already answered this, but why WOULDN'T you though?

I am not convinced there is benefit to her personally of getting the vaccine. When the vaccine roll out was started it was for the elderly and the vulnerable for whom Covid was likely to be a very serious disease. As we’ve come down the ages it has been for a mixture of lowering the risk to the individual whilst also protecting the population. We’re now at an age group where there is little benefit on the health front so we’d only be doing it to protect others who should have had the jab themselves. Yes, I do appreciate that some cannot however that’s not a good enough reason for us to have our daughter done.

She has also had Covid at least once and she (and all of her classmates) have been perfectly fine.

Even the JCVI have come out and said that this is not being pushed as the previous vaccine rollouts have, it is purely there if a parent wishes to so I think that’s the end of any argument. You can disagree however it’s being offered purely as a personal preference and, as things stand, we’re holding fire.

Today’s figures suggest that if 1,000,000 children get vaccinated it will prevent 90 odd hospitalisations in a severe wave and 17 in a mild wave. Again, doesn’t feel as though that’s a persuasive argument for me.

 

[drdel]

I am not convinced there is benefit to her personally of getting the vaccine. When the vaccine roll out was started it was for the elderly and the vulnerable for whom Covid was likely to be a very serious disease. As we’ve come down the ages it has been for a mixture of lowering the risk to the individual whilst also protecting the population. We’re now at an age group where there is little benefit on the health front so we’d only be doing it to protect others who should have had the jab themselves. Yes, I do appreciate that some cannot however that’s not a good enough reason for us to have our daughter done.

She has also had Covid at least once and she (and all of her classmates) have been perfectly fine.

Even the JCVI have come out and said that this is not being pushed as the previous vaccine rollouts have, it is purely there if a parent wishes to so I think that’s the end of any argument. You can disagree however it’s being offered purely as a personal preference and, as things stand, we’re holding fire.

Today’s figures suggest that if 1,000,000 children get vaccinated it will prevent 90 odd hospitalisations in a severe wave and 17 in a mild wave. Again, doesn’t feel as though that’s a persuasive argument for me.

Unless your child is one of the unfortunate 90!

 

[hovis]

Unless your child is one of the unfortunate 90!

Your child could be one of the many that die in car crashes every year. But you still put them in your car every day. You accept risk to your children everyday. Even leaving the room whilst they are eating has risk. I'd wager you have or do things everyday with your children that hospitalises more than 90children a year

 

[Hobbit]

The rule of masks outside in public places was dropped just over a week ago. Just done a supermarket run. Only 1 person without a mask outside, and full compliance inside the supermarket.

 

[drdel]

Your child could be one of the many that die in car crashes every year. But you still put them in your car every day. You accept risk to your children everyday. Even leaving the room whilst they are eating has risk. I'd wager you have or do things everyday with your children that hospitalises more than 90children a year

Strange extreme argument.

You could apply that to everything in life: this is about avoidable extra deaths and illnesses.

You are talking in percentages, all I'm pointing out that there is POTENTIALLY about 90 kids that may be collateral additional deaths from not being vaccinated.

It is of course everyone's right to decide.

 

[D-S]

The rule of masks outside in public places was dropped just over a week ago. Just done a supermarket run. Only 1 person without a mask outside, and full compliance inside the supermarket.

Quite high levels of cases and daily deaths for the population size if this level of compliance is typical across the whole country.

 

[Ethan]

Strange extreme argument.

You could apply that to everything in life: this is about avoidable extra deaths and illnesses.

You are talking in percentages, all I'm pointing out that there is POTENTIALLY about 90 kids that may be collateral additional deaths from not being vaccinated.

It is of course everyone's right to decide.

It is an absurd argument (that you responded to). You take some unavoidable risks, so you may as well take some more.

It is also irrelevant to vaccination, in which there is a legitimate choice, but it is choice between risks and benefits alternative strategies to maximise your chance of making an optimal choice.

 

[Hobbit]

Quite high levels of cases and daily deaths for the population size if this level of compliance is typical across the whole country.

Cases are very high here in Spain at present and have been since mid January. Deaths are actually at a decent level compared to where it was in September. ICU bed occupation is around 50%.

 

[road2ruin]

Unless your child is one of the unfortunate 90!

That isn't the number of children, that's out of the general population i.e. 1,000,000 child vaccinations will prevent 90 people being hospitalised in a severe wave and 17 in a mild one.

 

[D-S]

Cases are very high here in Spain at present and have been since mid January. Deaths are actually at a decent level compared to where it was in September. ICU bed occupation is around 50%.

That’s odd as on Worldometer deaths for the past few week have been 361, 282 393, 389, 201, 301 and 444 which appeared high to me.

 

[SocketRocket]

That’s odd as on Worldometer deaths for the past few week have been 361, 282 393, 389, 201, 301 and 444 which appeared high to me.

We've had some of those numbers in a day.

 

[bobmac]

We've had some of those numbers in a day.

Those are daily numbers

 

[SocketRocket]

Those are daily numbers

Yes I know, that's why I suggested we've had similar.

 

[ExRabbit]

Currently realising how hard it is to remember to keep a distance from my wife in the house - she tested positive this afternoon. I'm currently negative and will try to keep it that way so at least one of us can leave the house if necessary.

Spent a good 15 minutes reading all of the current rules!

Ah well - the horse had already bolted it seems. Woke up with what feels like a heavy cold, so took another test. Let the isolation begin!