Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[D-S]

Yes I know, that's why I suggested we've had similar.

With a 30% higher population.

 

[SocketRocket]

With a 30% higher population.

Yes that's right. I guess the cases per 100K are more relevant.

 

[bobmac]

Yes I know, that's why I suggested we've had similar.

So you didn't think they were weekly numbers?

 

[SocketRocket]

So you didn't think they were weekly numbers?

That's what I said.

I was suggesting we had similar numbers.

 

[bobmac]

That's what I said.

I was suggesting we had similar numbers.

 

[SocketRocket]

I meant they were daily numbers similar to ours.
Why are you asking ?

 

[Foxholer]

Appears that Omicron has well and truly struck NZ, with cases rocketing.
As yet, serious/critical count is still zero, so goal of the 'total lockdown' measures (preventing hospitals from being swamped) still holds.
Vaccination levels are pretty high (95% of 12+ with 2 jabs).

 

[Swinglowandslow]

That isn't the number of children, that's out of the general population i.e. 1,000,000 child vaccinations will prevent 90 people being hospitalised in a severe wave and 17 in a mild one.

Whatever, they are still lives, and as Ethan says there is a choice that can be made to make them avoidable.

 

[road2ruin]

Whatever, they are still lives, and as Ethan says there is a choice that can be made to make them avoidable.

Agree, there is a choice and as the JCVI have made clear it is down the the individual families to make it. I feel absolutely no guilt in making ours as it’s what we feel is best for our family and daughter in particular. In the future that decision may change.

The spokesperson for the JCVI actually said yesterday that the vaccine has negligible impact on transmission with the new variant so stopping the spread isn’t really a massive consideration.

 

[Foxholer]

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The spokesperson for the JCVI actually said yesterday that the vaccine has negligible impact on transmission with the new variant so stopping the spread isn’t really a massive consideration.

That seems to be at odds with with previous info - and logic. That would suggest that vaccination does not prevent infection (sufficiently). Though I wouldn't be surprised if it 'had little on transmissability'. Previous announcements stated that either the impact was beneficial, or was uncertain.

 

[road2ruin]

That seems to be at odds with with previous info - and logic. That would suggest that vaccination does not prevent infection (sufficiently). Though I wouldn't be surprised if it 'had little on transmissability'. Previous announcements stated that either the impact was beneficial, or was uncertain.

I’m not going to claim any in-depth knowledge other than what the JCVI person said during the interview when she was being questioned about why they’d decided to lower the age range.

The general takeaway was that the decision to make it available was purely made to allow those who wanted to have it to have it rather than it having a particularly beneficial effect on the spread itself.

 

[Ethan]

Agree, there is a choice and as the JCVI have made clear it is down the the individual families to make it. I feel absolutely no guilt in making ours as it’s what we feel is best for our family and daughter in particular. In the future that decision may change.

The spokesperson for the JCVI actually said yesterday that the vaccine has negligible impact on transmission with the new variant so stopping the spread isn’t really a massive consideration.

I agree that this is an individual choice and support any parent who looks at the arguments and makes a decision, whatever way they go. It would be good if they had the facts to do so. Not quite so keen on the adamant refusals.

One factor that plays into this is the commission/omission paradox. People are much less likely to take an active step - get a vaccine - that could cause harm than they are to act passively and expose themselves to risk or harm. If you get a vaccine, and it causes a side effect, you did it and it was your choice, but if you just catch Covid, that isn't really your fault, it was bad luck, always going to happen eventually etc etc.

The JCVI have been behaving oddly on Covid vaccines, and appear to be influenced by factors outside the science. There is good evidence that vaccines reduce transmission, on both ends of the give and get side of transmission. Because the vaccine reduces the amount of viral replication, it must also reduce the amount of virus for onward transmission, and if someone is vaccinated they are less likely to get a clinical dose.

 

[drdel]

That seems to be at odds with with previous info - and logic. That would suggest that vaccination does not prevent infection (sufficiently). Though I wouldn't be surprised if it 'had little on transmissability'. Previous announcements stated that either the impact was beneficial, or was uncertain.

I'd have thought it would help reduce 'R'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't mind people questioning my thoughts. I'm asking the question about my 7 year old daughter because why would I put her through the fright of having a needle in her arm (she's petrified of them) for something that for her is a runny nose. Also, we don't know about long term effects of the vacines yet. I'm happy to gamble with my health because it's a justified. If the vacine stopped the rate of transmission by a good amount then I'd have it done in a heart beat. I'm not an anti vader by a long stretch. I just remember the government saying early on the the risk benefit isn't there for younger people. What's changed? Genuine question

My daughter is coming up to 5 - I won’t be taking her to get the vaccine

She has had the virus twice now and both times it was a mild cold

 

[Foxholer]

I agree that this is an individual choice and support any parent who looks at the arguments and makes a decision, whatever way they go. It would be good if they had the facts to do so. Not quite so keen on the adamant refusals.

One factor that plays into this is the commission/omission paradox. People are much less likely to take an active step - get a vaccine - that could cause harm than they are to act passively and expose themselves to risk or harm. If you get a vaccine, and it causes a side effect, you did it and it was your choice, but if you just catch Covid, that isn't really your fault, it was bad luck, always going to happen eventually etc etc.

The JCVI have been behaving oddly on Covid vaccines, and appear to be influenced by factors outside the science. There is good evidence that vaccines reduce transmission, on both ends of the give and get side of transmission. Because the vaccine reduces the amount of viral replication, it must also reduce the amount of virus for onward transmission, and if someone is vaccinated they are less likely to get a clinical dose.

Here's the JCVI statement wrt 5-11 yr-olds. https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...accination-of-children-aged-5-to-11-years-old

 

[Foxholer]

I'd have thought it would help reduce 'R'.

That's why I'm in favour of vaccination of 5-11 yr-olds. Though I appreciate the actual decision is up to the parents.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I’m really glad my lad is grown up and I’m not facing the decision some of you are as parents of young kids over the covid vaccine.

My lad was in the age bracket a few years back when there was the scandal over the mmr vaccine and it was not a nice position to be in.

We all do what we firmly believe is the right decision for our Child and it is taken with the best intent and love.

 

[SaintHacker]

I'm not an anti vader by a long stretch.

I find your lack of faith disturbing...



(sorry)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The rule of masks outside in public places was dropped just over a week ago. Just done a supermarket run. Only 1 person without a mask outside, and full compliance inside the supermarket.

Mask wearing indoors in supermarkets, shops etc dropping off rapidly in previously super compliant leafy Surrey. And basically now non-existent in the clubhouse. Well that’s it all over then and we are back to normal. Would be nice to think that and it were true…

 

[WGCRider]

Whatever, they are still lives, and as Ethan says there is a choice that can be made to make them avoidable.

100% this.

Still, I suppose on that goodbye video call to grandma she be comforted when she's told that there was only a 90 in 1000000 chance she ended up in hospital. Besides, little Freya really doesn't like needles.