SocketRocket
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Guess we will just have to live with it.
Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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DanFST
Head Pro
I should buy a lottery ticket.
SocketRocket
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If you don't care (and that's entirely your prerogative) then look away, pass on the other side, don't read it. Anything but post on here that you don't like what's being said. Job done.
GB72
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Out of interest, how does it compare to Delta. I am taking Omicron as the low bench point for being pathogenic and the high for contagion and assume (though would be interested to know for sure) whether Delta was the current high for being pathogenic.
WGCRider
Newbie
You don't convince anyone by insulting them but this is a truly moronic take.
It's like saying "look, I've got smallpox - I know I'm going to die, but I deserve a nice day out with lots of people in the shopping center - Personal decision imo"
Your 7 year old will be fine either way vax/no vax - but she's rolling the dice for her grandparents, elderly neighbors and frankly anyone else over 50.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Her grandparents are triple vaxxed so they'll be fine thank you. The vaccine is to the protect the individual and, at present, I am yet to be convinced that it's needed for that age group. That may change in the future but not yet.
Elderly neighbours and others over 50yrs, assume they will have had the vaccine if offered and that gives lots of protection, we'll give the vaccine based on what it does for our daughter, not others.
BTW, this is one of the stupidest comparisons I've ever seen on this forum and that really takes some doing.
bobmac
Major Champion
Do you know how long her immunity will last?
Best guesses say between 3 months and 61 months. In other words they don't know yet.
And will her immunity protect her from new variants?
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know
From what I've read, the vaccine should be given to children who already have health problems or live with people who have weakened immune system, so you might be ok.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ildren-aged-5-to-11-years-of-age-at-high-risk
Ethan
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In terms of acute illness, Delta is definitely more pathogenic and causes more people to get hospitalised or die. Omicron is relatively milder but can still cause problems.
We don't really know yet is other effects are proportional. Long Covid probably is, because it is a continuation of the acute illness, but other effects in people who did not have an acute illness or who have recovered may not be as mild.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Is that no different to the vaccines, their immunity has also been shown to wane pretty quickly?
We are fortunate, she has no health problems and, as far as I know, neither do we so we'll take our chances.
Ethan
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I think that is fair enough. You have a rational argument to hold fire. We offered our boys (12 and 14) the choice and had a chat but left it to them. They both decided to get it.
I wouldn't take exactly the same approach with a 7 year old, but there are clearly arguments for and against.
Ethan
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Immunity depends on what you were exposed to and what your immunity is against. Omicron-induced immunity is not very strong or long lasting. Alpha or Delta-induced immunity is better. All are improved by vaccination.
WGCRider
Newbie
It's not, it's to protect everyone. Including those that are unable to get the vaccine
Happy to hear it.
This is mean spirited, but my genuine wish is that if people have "done their research" and chosen not to get the vaccine do get ill - that they are also treated by people that used the same sources to research their treatment.
DanFST
Head Pro
This is the new "most stupid post" of the 25,590.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
Not according to the JCVI who have said that "the main focus of its considerations should be the potential benefits and harms of vaccination to children and young people themselves." i.e. not to protect the population, at that age where (fortunately) the virus is very mild it is whether the vaccine is to benefit the individual.
More tripe. You cannot compare the non-vaccination of a 7 year old (or similar) against that of anti-vaxers.
I, too, used to think that those that have been vaccinated will carry a lower viral load, if they catch Covid, than the unvaccinated. There’s a really good piece in the Lancet detailing research carried out in Germany and USA which suggests that there’s little difference in viral load, only how severe the symptoms appear.
bobmac
Major Champion
Have you got a link to that please?
Ethan
Money List Winner
I don't wish ill on the average citizen who chooses not to get it. I think it is irresponsible, but such is life. When I hear a story about a public figure who campaigned against vaccination then gets Covid and ends up in ICU, I am afraid I am all out of sympathy for them.
The JCVI have not had a consistent position on this. The children Covid decision was based on a political decision to push the decision out to the CMOs. The same JCVI approved HPV vaccines for teenage boys even though almost all the benefit is to their future sexual partners. They clearly took a (reasonable) population position on that one.
Foxholer
Blackballed
This one? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
There are others too - including at least 1 that mentions UK.
Foxholer
Blackballed
And there's also the psychological aspect that being vaccinated provides, which can be both positive - as in being happy to return to work etc - and negative - as in being unaware that they may be a carrier and/but ignoring/reducing the measures previously taken to reduce Covid's spread. Vaccinated folk could well be greater spreaders than non-vaccinated ones!