Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

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However, surely if it is the WRONG decision, and things go badly once that decision is implemented, it is not going to help the person making that decision? It doesn't seem a very good way of proving you are good at your job. Also, is this a decision that is truly made by one person? One person may be the one to announce any decision, and be the figurehead for such decisions, but is it not ultimately a group decision?
He won't care if it helps in the run up to the council elections. If they do badly in them then he'll get the boot.
 

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It doesn't change the fact that he was inferring I wanted restrictions to continue untill there was zero Covid.

That’s how you read it. I didn’t read it like that at all.

But you’re sadly mistaken if you think deliberately misquoting something as you did is anything other than underhand.
 

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I don't really care anymore, but I'm struggling to see what difference the question mark makes to the overall tone of the statement / question.

What are you? Some kind of idiot?
reads much the same as,
What are you? Some kind of idiot
which is how the person targeted by the post could easily have interpreted the original lines.
 
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I don't really care anymore, but I'm struggling to see what difference the question mark makes to the overall tone of the statement / question.

What are you? Some kind of idiot?
reads much the same as,
What are you? Some kind of idiot
which is how the person targeted by the post could easily have interpreted the original lines.
But I didn’t interpret it in a bad way, I took it as a generic statement.
 

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That’s how you read it. I didn’t read it like that at all.

But you’re sadly mistaken if you think deliberately misquoting something as you did is anything other than underhand.
I didn't misquote anything and certainly wasn't being underhanded.

If someone only poses a question then it would be phrased :

"How long should Covid regulations be maintained? "

If the question is followed by something like:

"untill there is zero Covid?".

This is suggesting the answer the person expects you to make and as such the question then becomes rhetorical and an accusation. The question mark is grammatically correct but due to it being accidentally missed in the cut and paste takes away nothing from the meaning.

I accept that the reply was to a post made to @paulj42 and not myself.
 
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Guys, can we stop all this? I like a bit of back and forth banter as much as the next guy, but this has been going on waaaaaaaay too long.

There are people I expect never to persuade and people who expect never to persuade me, and that is OK.

Its a thread on a hosted forum, so within the rules anyone can contribute.

Some content may be inane, OTT and boring. Nobody is forced to read and /or respond so if you're annoyed by the commentary why not simply stop reading and posting rather than highhandedly dictating to others.
 

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Its a thread on a hosted forum, so within the rules anyone can contribute.

Some content may be inane, OTT and boring. Nobody is forced to read and /or respond so if you're annoyed by the commentary why not simply stop reading and posting rather than highhandedly dictating to others.

Err, aren't you highhandedly dictating to me?
 

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I do not think this - I ask why ALL restriction NOW, and at the same time why stop free tests and need to report. The comment in respect of my son is completely irrelevant and unacceptable. You have absolutely no idea.

because that is the direction of travel, because we are vaccinated, because the NHS has coped with the massive spike in infections and most who are critical are unvaccinated and/or vulnerable, beacsue treating covid is way more advanced than it was, because restrictions cost the economy a lot of money, because servicing our national debt is becoming a lot more expoensive, because incomes are being squeezed and declining in real terms, because we need to maximise economic growth to pay for all these things and pump billions into the NHS, because for 99% of the poulation covid is not a killer or the big worry that is was this time last year, because restrictions have taken 2 years of our lives (or rephrase that been around to a greater/lesser degree for 2 years), because it has deeply affected our children's education and mental health, because we want to stop debating covid and restrictions. And this, unfortunately means that, round the margins, removing restrictions will still inconvenience a very small % of the poulatioin a bit longer (and maybe a bit harsher) - but, without being seen as unkind or uncaring of the vulnerable, that is what the majority of the poulation would want
 

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...rather than highhandedly dictating to others.
'dictating'?! It was a relatively polie request imo!
'highhandedly'? Pot and Kettle springs to mind!

I can't imagine opinions of the main participants in the this particular area changing, so it certainly makes for rather dull reading of updates!
 

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because that is the direction of travel, because we are vaccinated, because the NHS has coped with the massive spike in infections and most who are critical are unvaccinated and/or vulnerable, beacsue treating covid is way more advanced than it was, because restrictions cost the economy a lot of money, because servicing our national debt is becoming a lot more expoensive, because incomes are being squeezed and declining in real terms, because we need to maximise economic growth to pay for all these things and pump billions into the NHS, because for 99% of the poulation covid is not a killer or the big worry that is was this time last year, because restrictions have taken 2 years of our lives (or rephrase that been around to a greater/lesser degree for 2 years), because it has deeply affected our children's education and mental health, because we want to stop debating covid and restrictions. And this, unfortunately means that, round the margins, removing restrictions will still inconvenience a very small % of the poulatioin a bit longer (and maybe a bit harsher) - but, without being seen as unkind or uncaring of the vulnerable, that is what the majority of the poulation would want
It’s what YOU and some others on here want. I suggest that it’s not for you to presume that you speak for the majority when you don’t know. As it happens you may be right. That a small percentage of the population may suffer significant inconvenience does not it seems bother you that much as long as you don’t have to wear a bleedin mask, and take an occasional test. And yes…of course…the economy. Well I cannot comment further on that.

I would have fewer concerns were I to hear Whitty and Vallance look me straight in the eye down the tv camera lens and tell me that they agree. But I haven’t. And for very obvious and incontrovertible reasons I doubt the true motives of those behind what is happening and what is proposed.

And that is, I am afraid, the bottom line. Trust or lack of it.
 

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Well as you haven’t checked today’s reported number for England is Friday’s number 11-2-22, not a weekend. The previous Friday was 1186, this Friday it was 996.
England numbers for Sunday sneak back over 1000. Wales and NI figures, but none availble for England/Scotland still suggest 'reporting delays' mean figures possibly aren't absolutely reliable. Good trend over last week though!
 

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I didn't misquote anything and certainly wasn't being underhanded.

If someone only poses a question then it would be phrased :

"How long should Covid regulations be maintained? "

If the question is followed by something like:

"untill there is zero Covid?".

This is suggesting the answer the person expects you to make and as such the question then becomes rhetorical and an accusation. The question mark is grammatically correct but due to it being accidentally missed in the cut and paste takes away nothing from the meaning.

I accept that the reply was to a post made to @paulj42 and not myself.

You have drawn the conclusion from a starting point of your own bias.
 

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It’s what YOU and some others on here want. I suggest that it’s not for you to presume that you speak for the majority when you don’t know. As it happens you may be right. That a small percentage of the population may suffer significant inconvenience does not it seems bother you that much as long as you don’t have to wear a bleedin mask, and take an occasional test. And yes…of course…the economy. Well I cannot comment further on that.

I would have fewer concerns were I to hear Whitty and Vallance look me straight in the eye down the tv camera lens and tell me that they agree. But I haven’t. And for very obvious and incontrovertible reasons I doubt the true motives of those behind what is happening and what is proposed.

And that is, I am afraid, the bottom line. Trust or lack of it.
I think that is incredibly unfair.

You keep suggesting that people that are happy for restrictions to be lifted are not bothered about a small percentage of the population. And, there was no "?", so you definitely seemed to be suggesting that is how you feel. What about people that have vulnerable family members, who are happy about easing restrictions? Do they not care about their own family?

And, we just keep spinning around here. How long do you want the state to order us to wear a mask, given Covid will exist in some form or another for a very long time? And, we'll always have people that are vulnerable.
 

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You have drawn the conclusion from a starting point of your own bias.
I could accuse you of the same.
I've drawn them from a starting point of my understanding of the context.

This going on about whether a question mark was missed on purpose is now getting silly and completely out of context. I've finished discussing it now so you are at will to draw your own conclusions.
 
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