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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

road2ruin said:
As I said previously, they should never have been given a public platform. They should have been a ‘seen and not heard’ type body who feed into the Government who then use that info along with the CMO’s etc to decide a path forward. Instead they live the fact that their models are on the front page of the Mail etc and it’s probably done more harm than good with the resultant scepticism.
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It is an attempt to keep Public Health advice away from politics.
 
Hobbit said:
And this affects you in what way? What aspect dictates your way of life and what irks you about it?
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Because the decisions that the government make could have a not insignificant impact on the care my BiL will receive in the NHS over the coming days, weeks and months. He was yesterday admitted into hospital with a life limiting condition. If the NHS starts keeling over due to load on it or staff illness our lives could be very significantly affected.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Because the decisions that the government make could have a not insignificant impact on the care my BiL will receive in the NHS over the coming days, weeks and months. He was yesterday admitted into hospital with a life limiting condition. If the NHS starts keeling over due to load on it or staff illness our lives could be very significantly affected.
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Surely operating under a worst case scenario, as many fear the govt are doing, means that anything less is worse not better. One thing no one can say is that the govt has had a rose tinted view of what’s going on.
 
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chrisd said:
I think that the two numbers that the news should give out each day is

How many people are in hospital with Covid

How many of those in hospital have not been jabbed at all
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I think your first question should be “How many people are in hospital because of Covid”

Everyone who is admitted to hospital has to have a Covid test, how many asymptomatic positives are pushing the “with Covid” figure up.

100% agree with the 2nd question, this is the figure they should be shouting from the rooftops.
 
Fade and Die said:
I think your first question should be “How many people are in hospital because of Covid”

Everyone who is admitted to hospital has to have a Covid test, how many asymptomatic positives are pushing the “with Covid” figure up.

100% agree with the 2nd question, this is the figure they should be shouting from the rooftops.
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printed the second figure on a daily basis would only antagonise as opposed to anything else
 
Liverpoolphil said:
printed the second figure on a daily basis would only antagonise as opposed to anything else
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Maybe, but I think the spotlight should be shone onto the sector of society that are causing a disproportionate burden on the NHS. Let’s stop tip toeing around and have it out there.
 
Tashyboy said:
Because ?

Its like me saying.

Putting restrictions in place for the Omicron variant is brilliant. But not saying why?
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based on all the evidence from South Africa where this came from which shows that this is a very weak version despite it acting rapidly. Even the British scientists are not that concerned
 
Fade and Die said:
Maybe, but I think the spotlight should be shone onto the sector of society that are causing a disproportionate burden on the NHS. Let’s stop tip toeing around and have it out there.
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There is enough angst as it is over it all - the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting the virus and the NHS’s main issue right now is staff from rhe NHS getting the virus and having to self isolate - the level on hospital etc isn’t the issue
 
Fade and Die said:
That’s why we need the figure of people hospitalised because of Covid. I read somewhere that at the moment Covid is accounting for about 2% of the NHS capacity. (Might have been on Facebook though!?)
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7.16%, not 2%. Edit… that’s 7.16% of those with Covid. How it affect capacity I don’t know.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
There is enough angst as it is over it all - the vaccine doesn’t stop people getting the virus and the NHS’s main issue right now is staff from rhe NHS getting the virus and having to self isolate - the level on hospital etc isn’t the issue
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If everyone was vaccinated there would be virtually no Covid admissions
 
Hobbit said:
Surely operating under a worst case scenario, as many fear the govt are doing, means that anything less is worse not better. One thing no one can say is that the govt has had a rose tinted view of what’s going on.
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Absolutely…but IMO there are far too many inside and outside of government and Parliament - mostly with as much understanding as I of what the scientists are actually providing, trying to influence government policy by throwing ordure the way of the scientific community, as if it were that community determining policy - and it is not. And unfortunately there is much pressure on the government to form policy that may not actually be in the very best interests of public health by those same people who are casting aspersions and doubt on the input to Sage from the scientific community - because it suits their agenda.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Correct…but IMO there are far too many inside and outside of government and Parliament - mostly with as much understanding as I of what the scientists are actually providing, trying to influence government policy by throwing ordure the way of the scientific community, as if it were that community determining policy - and it is not.
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Aren’t we getting too close to discussing politics here?

In my opinion, only hindsight proves the case either way, and even then there not much difference in the directions chosen. Those that rant either way are, in the main, ranting for ranking’s sake.
 
Hobbit said:
Aren’t we getting too close to discussing politics here?

In my opinion, only hindsight proves the case either way, and even then there not much difference.
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Close? No. Its precisely that in many posts.

Hindsight? That's Keith Starmer's policy! Oooops, there I go, joining in with the politics. :-)
 
Hobbit said:
Aren’t we getting too close to discussing politics here?

In my opinion, only hindsight proves the case either way, and even then there not much difference in the directions chosen. Those that rant either way are, in the main, ranting for ranking’s sake.
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Yes - it is unfortunate that government involves political parties. But let’s just say I am not criticising government, rather my ire is directed towards those inside and outside of parliament who cherry pick the worst case scenarios in their attempts to undermine the scientific community to justify and embellish their positions and the pressure they are exerting on government policy.

I had determined to not comment on this thread (for a variety of reasons) but my experience of the last week, and having sat in a hospital car park much of today being unable to support my wife visiting her brother..and neither can my MiL visit as she cannot visit by herself and is also too vulnerable, has prompted me to let off steam.

As a (very important) aside. The service provided by my BiLs GP and GP practice has been exemplary, absolutely wonderful, as had the coordination of the GP with the local general hospital and the speed at which he has been admitted and is now being assessed.

And with that I will once more drop out of this.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
That’s quite a claim

So how come there are people in hospital with Covid that have been vaccinated
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Some people react strongly to a vaccine and develop strong antibodies, other don’t. And then there’s every reaction in between. Some people come into contact with someone with a massive viral load, and others carrying a sniffle. There’s a ton of variables.
 
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