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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Waiting for son, daughter in law and the 3 grandchildren to arrive only to get phone call that daughter in laws brother, child minded the kids last night, and this morning he and all his family test positive ??
 
Leftitshort said:
my youngest tried to do that a couple of weeks ago. 2 of his mates were +, he tested negative but filled the line in pen. it looked like a tye dye t shirt after about 2 mins !!
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My Grandkids (<10) pinched my red 'golf' sharpy and used it on their lateral flow tests at end of half term !
 
I mentioned a few months back that I felt our strategy of concentrating on vaccinating absolutely everyone outside of the vulnerable and heading down the ages towards 5 years plus wasn't correct and we needed to use those vaccines in countries that didn't have the vaccines to use themselves. I was told in no uncertain terms that it wasn't a supply issue however the WHO have come out today and said that countries such as ours, Israel and Germany are just prolonging the pandemic by taking a very insular view rather than looking around the world. Third world countries aren't being given enough vaccines and we're sitting here already planning on vaccinating 5 years old and offering a 4th jab in 3 months time.

Hasn't the Omicron variant taught us that we cannot keep anything out and with poorer countries whose vaccination rates are circa 10% of their populations the chances of another variant is increasingly high and it will be heading our way. In my opinion scrap plans to vaccinate the young and with present natural/vaccine immunity don't waste a 4th wave of jabs on those under 50 years or so. Protect the vulnerable but also take the world view and get everyone else up to our level otherwise the next variant could be worse and set us right back.

EDIT - There does appear to be a counter argument to this that vaccine hesitancy is off the scale in some of there countries due to a lack of trust in the government etc so it wouldn’t matter how many vaccines you give them, they’d be wasted anyway ?‍♂️
 
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road2ruin said:
I mentioned a few months back that I felt our strategy of concentrating on vaccinating absolutely everyone outside of the vulnerable and heading down the ages towards 5 years plus wasn't correct and we needed to use those vaccines in countries that didn't have the vaccines to use themselves. I was told in no uncertain terms that it wasn't a supply issue however the WHO have come out today and said that countries such as ours, Israel and Germany are just prolonging the pandemic by taking a very insular view rather than looking around the world. Third world countries aren't being given enough vaccines and we're sitting here already planning on vaccinating 5 years old and offering a 4th jab in 3 months time.

Hasn't the Omicron variant taught us that we cannot keep anything out and with poorer countries whose vaccination rates are circa 10% of their populations the chances of another variant is increasingly high and it will be heading our way. In my opinion scrap plans to vaccinate the young and with present natural/vaccine immunity don't waste a 4th wave of jabs on those under 50 years or so. Protect the vulnerable but also take the world view and get everyone else up to our level otherwise the next variant could be worse and set us right back.

EDIT - There does appear to be a counter argument to this that vaccine hesitancy is off the scale in some of there countries due to a lack of trust in the government etc so it wouldn’t matter how many vaccines you give them, they’d be wasted anyway ?‍♂️
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Reading some of the comments on here today regarding the vaccine uptake by some ethnic groups in this country, your last paragraph will most likely be correct.
 
Ethan said:
SAGE minutes 23/12/21

Some interesting comments.

They note that Omicron has lower intrinsic severity (i.e. in a head to head versus delta, it is less severe) and that the effect is further blunted by community immunity through vax or prior infection (realised severiity), but that Omicron will infect people that would not be infected by Delta.
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Why would someone not be infected by Delta, or is it astter of Omicron needing a smaller viral load to infect?
 
Piece in the Times today by Sir Patrick Vallance…barely concealed anger at the way ‘reasonable worse case’ scenarios are presented by the usual suspects as ‘the science that is always wrong’. When in fact a ‘reasonable worst case’ is but one modelled scenario across the spectrum of possible scenarios that is provided to Sage for consideration along with input from behavioural science, immunology, virology, and from scientists across the world and input to government policy making.

He writes…”It is not the job of Sage to take a particular policy stance or to either spread gloom or give Panglossian optimism”.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Piece in the Times today by Sir Patrick Vallance…barely concealed anger at the way ‘reasonable worse case’ scenarios are presented by the usual suspects as ‘the science that is always wrong’. When in fact a ‘reasonable worst case’ is but one modelled scenario across the spectrum of possible scenarios that is provided to Sage for consideration along with input from behavioural science, immunology, virology, and from scientists across the world and input to government policy making.

He writes…”It is not the job of Sage to take a particular policy stance or to either spread gloom or give Panglossian optimism”.
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And this affects you in what way? What aspect dictates your way of life and what irks you about it?
 
SocketRocket said:
Why would someone not be infected by Delta, or is it astter of Omicron needing a smaller viral load to infect?
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Other work suggests it is to do with how Omicron enters cells more easily. Viruses usually bind to a receptor that is already on the cell and then enter. Omicron appears to have a greater ability to do so. So its transmissibility isn't that it flies through the air better, or survives better on door handles or whatever, it is that contact with a case and exposure to the virus is just more likely to infect you, and that in turn leads to faster spread.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Piece in the Times today by Sir Patrick Vallance…barely concealed anger at the way ‘reasonable worse case’ scenarios are presented by the usual suspects as ‘the science that is always wrong’. When in fact a ‘reasonable worst case’ is but one modelled scenario across the spectrum of possible scenarios that is provided to Sage for consideration along with input from behavioural science, immunology, virology, and from scientists across the world and input to government policy making.

He writes…”It is not the job of Sage to take a particular policy stance or to either spread gloom or give Panglossian optimism”.
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I am not Vallance's biggest fan, but he is right. The hysterical reaction to some of SAGE's comments by some commentators who reject any view they don't like as political, biased or scaremongering, and some have even more paranoid delusional frameworks.

It should not need spelt out, although sadly it clearly does, that reasonable worst case scenarios are the proper starting position for planning responses to threats, and the breezy idea of "balance" only shows that the critics don't really understand the effect of getting it wrong, even by a little. Or worse still, they don't really care.
 
chrisd said:
Waiting for son, daughter in law and the 3 grandchildren to arrive only to get phone call that daughter in laws brother, child minded the kids last night, and this morning he and all his family test positive ??
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Disappointing not seeing the family, but maybe it's a stitch in time or a blessing in disguise, have a quiet Merry Xmas (y)
 
Ethan said:
I am not Vallance's biggest fan, but he is right. The hysterical reaction to some of SAGE's comments by some commentators who reject any view they don't like as political, biased or scaremongering, and some have even more paranoid delusional frameworks.

It should not need spelt out, although sadly it clearly does, that reasonable worst case scenarios are the proper starting position for planning responses to threats, and the breezy idea of "balance" only shows that the critics don't really understand the effect of getting it wrong, even by a little. Or worse still, they don't really care.
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As I said previously, they should never have been given a public platform. They should have been a ‘seen and not heard’ type body who feed into the Government who then use that info along with the CMO’s etc to decide a path forward. Instead they live the fact that their models are on the front page of the Mail etc and it’s probably done more harm than good with the resultant scepticism.
 
How has it affected you Tash.
It has officially and royally screwed up Xmas for the second year running. Covid 2 - Tash 0 Same with Missis Tash except she thinks it Covid 3 Missis T 0

Merry Xmas everyone.
 
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