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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Hobbit said:
Some people react strongly to a vaccine and develop strong antibodies, other don’t. And then there’s every reaction in between. Some people come into contact with someone with a massive viral load, and others carrying a sniffle. There’s a ton of variables.
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Exactly - the vaccine will help and reduce but it’s not going to totally remove the virus
 
Captainron said:
based on all the evidence from South Africa where this came from which shows that this is a very weak version despite it acting rapidly. Even the British scientists are not that concerned
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That’s correct. But your initial post was putting restrictions in place for the omicron virus is a waste of time. Omicron is not the only virus out there, in fact it has just said on the news that some of the people in hospital have Delta so how exactly do you put restrictions in place for one variant but not the other ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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So it’s just a ridiculous statement that by putting “virtually” allows you to back pedal

if everyone was vaccinated we would still have people in hospital and people still dying - the levels will be reduced

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
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  • Vaccine breakthrough infections are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing most infections. However, like other vaccines, they are not 100% effective.
  • Fully vaccinated people with a vaccine breakthrough infection are less likely to develop serious illness than those who are unvaccinated and get COVID-19.
  • Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

In other words, vaccinated people are much less likely to become hospitalized and infect nurses who would then have to isolate and miss work.
Therefor, the more vaccinated people, the less nurses have to miss work.

11 months ago when very few had the vaccine, there were 30,004 cases. 610 deaths. 4077 in ICU
The most recent figures show 122,186 cases, 137 deaths. 842 in ICU
The vaccines work.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Absolutely…but IMO there are far too many inside and outside of government and Parliament - mostly with as much understanding as I of what the scientists are actually providing, trying to influence government policy by throwing ordure the way of the scientific community, as if it were that community determining policy - and it is not. And unfortunately there is much pressure on the government to form policy that may not actually be in the very best interests of public health by those same people who are casting aspersions and doubt on the input to Sage from the scientific community - because it suits their agenda.
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H, everyone, everyone by now knows roughly what the government wants you to do to prevent spread of this virus. Ok, so they haven't passed into law the measures they are suggesting, but you and I know that even if they did, a significant number would ignore the government edicts and carry on doing what they want.
It's a no brainier what to do to stop spreading the virus.
Part of which is to get vaccinated. We have seen the demographic of those that won't.
When are you going to accept that it is down to individual responsibilities , and not government rules that will determine the virus spread.
Throughout your posts you have apparently waited upon the government to determine yours or others actions . You know what's safe. So do others.
It's down to them.
"Horses" "water" "drink"?
 
bobmac said:
  • Vaccine breakthrough infections are expected. COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing most infections. However, like other vaccines, they are not 100% effective.
  • Fully vaccinated people with a vaccine breakthrough infection are less likely to develop serious illness than those who are unvaccinated and get COVID-19.
  • Even when fully vaccinated people develop symptoms, they tend to be less severe symptoms than in unvaccinated people. This means they are much less likely to be hospitalized or die than people who are not vaccinated.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

In other words, vaccinated people are much less likely to become hospitalized and infect nurses who would then have to isolate and miss work.
Therefor, the more vaccinated people, the less nurses have to miss work.

11 months ago when very few had the vaccine, there were 30,004 cases. 610 deaths. 4077 in ICU
The most recent figures show 122,186 cases, 137 deaths. 842 in ICU
The vaccines work.
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But it’s still not “virtually no Covid” admissions as you stated which was the point
bobmac said:
If everyone was vaccinated there would be virtually no Covid admissions
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Even with the vaccine nHS staff are going to catch the virus and they are going to have to isolate and put a strain on the services.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
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But it’s still not “virtually no Covid” admissions as you stated which was the point


Even with the vaccine nHS staff are going to catch the virus and they are going to have to isolate and put a strain on the services.
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Do you accept that nurses are more likely to catch the virus from unvaccinated patients than from the vaccinated patients, bearing in mind that vaccinated people will be much less likely to be hospitalized in the first place?
 
What I cannot get my head around is folk want a relaxation of the rules. Yet countries in the EU are saying that they do not want people to travel from the UK, period. That for me is a damning statement to make.
I have said it before and I will say it again. Me I am vaxed up to the eyeballs but still have COVID. If you do not want any vaccines, that is your right. But there is no way you will be able to travel abroad as other countries will not accept you. Your right to not want a vaccine unfortunately will come at a cost.And not just to yourself.
 
bobmac said:
Do you accept that nurses are more likely to catch the virus from unvaccinated patients than from the vaccinated patients, bearing in mind that vaccinated people will be much less likely to be hospitalized in the first place?
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I think you might be wrong there Bob. Last I saw 2/3 of those hospitalised have been vaccinated. On the surface that looks skewed but if you consider there’s more people vaccinated than unvaccinated then it’s possible for more vaccinated to be in hospital. As we know, being vaccinated doesn’t guarantee immunity ergo you could still end up in hospital.

Its playing with numbers and the variables. For example, a 90 year old who doesn’t react to the vaccination will almost certainly end up in hospital if they get it. A 40 year old, even unvaccinated, might just feel rough. Again, playing with numbers one hundred 40 year olds might get it and 2 might end up in hospital. Four vaccinated 90 year olds might get it, and all 4 might end up in hospital because of age an infirmity and a weaker response to the vaccine.
 
bobmac said:
Do you accept that nurses are more likely to catch the virus from unvaccinated patients than from the vaccinated patients, bearing in mind that vaccinated people will be much less likely to be hospitalized in the first place?
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It’s not as black and white - there are a lot of variables

Right now there are more people who are hospitalised who are also vaccinated

I believe it was about 70%

The level of people vaccinated in the uk I believe is the second highest ( per person ) in the world - yet the cases continue to rise. Those cases aren’t rising because enough people don’t have the vaccine.
 
In my days with a large Fin Services Co, I used to argue constantly with my counterpart in Estates (Bogs n' Buffets as I called them) about trusting folk to be sensible. He was always sticking yellow and black tape round things and holding training courses on how not to kill yourself while sitting at a desk!!

Folk can't be trusted to do what is sensible he said... I used to reply "you have to treat folk like gown ups!"

Covid has proven him right and me very wrong.... Shriggers old mate, I owe you a beer. Several in fact.
 
Old Skier said:
That was about trust by ethnic groups in this country, you seem to suggest that would be a problem in other countries, I just responding suggestino (through experience) that lack of take up elsewhere was more to do with resources.
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He said:
"EDIT - There does appear to be a counter argument to this that vaccine hesitancy is off the scale in some of there countries due to a lack of trust in the government etc so it wouldn’t matter how many vaccines you give them, they’d be wasted anyway ?‍♂️"
 
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