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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Very slippery slope here.

I wonder if the more elderly demographic would feel the same if they were required to have a vaccine for a virus that adversely affected younger generations, or face being excluded from parts of society?

I very much doubt it.
 
BiMGuy said:
Very slippery slope here.

I wonder if the more elderly demographic would feel the same if they were required to have a vaccine for a virus that adversely affected younger generations, or face being excluded from parts of society?

I very much doubt it.
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2 things

1 - yes I think they would take it, just as the younger generation are queuing up for this one. I have no reason to suppose that the older generation is more or less selfish than the younger - wherever the divide between the two is.

2 - which slightly contradicts the first point, the virus, by the hospitalisations that we are currently seeing, is plainly a risk for the younger generation too.
 
Until every single person has been given the chance to have the vaccine should they then look at vaccine passports etc
 
Kellfire said:
I haven’t missed the point at all, I just haven’t addressed it.

It’s simple - if people won’t get vaccinated then those of us that have may need to continue with certain restrictions.
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So how long for? If in 4 weeks time the delta variant is still rampaging through the unvaccinated do we lock down for another few months whilst the unvaccinated continue to live there lives unfettered?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Until every single person has been given the chance to have the vaccine should they then look at vaccine passports etc
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As long as there is the option to prove that you've recently had a negative test or have antibodies from infection, rather than having been double jabbed, then there's no reason that vaccine passports can't be brought in now.
 
Fade and Die said:
So how long for? If in 4 weeks time the delta variant is still rampaging through the unvaccinated do we lock down for another few months whilst the unvaccinated continue to live there lives unfettered?
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We aren’t in lockdown now so why will go back into lockdown ?

Can we not learn from previous mistakes about relaxing rules too early , if some level of restrictions need to stay because the virus is still affecting people’s lives dramatically then we continue on.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
We aren’t in lockdown now so why will go back into lockdown ?

Can we not learn from previous mistakes about relaxing rules too early , if some level of restrictions need to stay because the virus is still affecting people’s lives dramatically then we continue on.
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It’s time to relax the rules… the vulnerable majority have been vaxxed and lived a whole year social distancing. If there was any indication that the unvaccinated were starting to take up the Vaccination then I would say it is worth delaying the relaxing of the rules but there isn’t so what’s the point?
 
Fade and Die said:
It’s time to relax the rules… the vulnerable majority have been vaxxed and lived a whole year social distancing. If there was any indication that the unvaccinated were starting to take up the Vaccination then I would say it is worth delaying the relaxing of the rules but there isn’t so what’s the point?
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There are still a lot of us late 40's wating for our 2nd jab, i've no issue waiting a few weeks so we can get fully vacced.
 
Fade and Die said:
It’s time to relax the rules… the vulnerable majority have been vaxxed and lived a whole year social distancing. If there was any indication that the unvaccinated were starting to take up the Vaccination then I would say it is worth delaying the relaxing of the rules but there isn’t so what’s the point?
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Completely anecdotal, but I walked through the Westfield Shopping Centre in Stratford on Friday. Hundreds of 20-somethings queuing patiently for vaccinations.
 
RichA said:
Completely anecdotal, but I walked through the Westfield Shopping Centre in Stratford on Friday. Hundreds of 20-somethings queuing patiently for vaccinations.
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I think the previous point relates to those offered the vaccine but refused, not the young who are next due it. Take up amongst the young is decent I believe. Apart the obvious benefits I think many can see a vaccine passport looming on the horizon for entry to events, festivals, clubs etc and want in.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
We are close to normal - there is no rush , we started to get back to normal last year and things got worse.
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And since then, over 71 million vaccines have been given.

Liverpoolphil said:
People need to consider the needs of all not some
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If you are talking about those who refuse the vaccine, I agree, they should think of everyone, not just themselves
 
Fade and Die said:
Statistically your more likely to die by accident or injury than Covid. We need to start getting back to normal now.
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It’s far too late to tell people that. Media driven irrational fear and thinking has taken over.

All it’s ever been is big emotive words on pedestals surrounded by chevrons, graphs with big red lines, catchy slogans, haunting adverts with people staring and big numbers shown negatively.
No positives like recoveries, numbers with no context with death numbers like age and obesity, did they have underlying conditions? Where was the virus contracted? In the community or care setting?

The mental recovery from this will take a long long time. Psychologically damaged.
 
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bobmac said:
And since then, over 71 million vaccines have been given.



If you are talking about those who refuse the vaccine, I agree, they should think of everyone, not just themselves
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71 million is not the whole country is it - remember all “in it together” when the younger generation were told they had to stick to restrictions - let’s hope it’s still the same when we waiting for all to have the vaccine so that restrictions can be reduced or even fully removed.

As can be seen with the increase of infections and hospitalisation this virus isn’t beaten yet and it would be naive at best to just let everyone roam free without any level of social distancing and restrictions in place. I’m happy to see some level be in place until all have been offered the vaccine
 
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