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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

AmandaJR said:
Is it wrong that I think all those refusing the vaccine should be made to work in a Covid ward without PPE?! Might make them think twice about their decision??

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Not wrong at all. Time and time again the authorities try all sorts to get these idiots to take the vaccine. Adverts, cajoling, etc but it's time to bring out the stick.
Refuse the vaccine and be prepared to take the consequences. Passports, refusal to communal areas like pubs, cinemas etc.
With right to refuse comes the duty to live by the consequence.
 
I am really looking forward to the story in the media when a family get turned away from the airport and they lose their holiday because they had not had the vaccine because they believed more in conspiracy theories and civil liberties. And everyone else waves at them as their flight takes off.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Not wrong at all. Time and time again the authorities try all sorts to get these idiots to take the vaccine. Adverts, cajoling, etc but it's time to bring out the stick.
Refuse the vaccine and be prepared to take the consequences. Passports, refusal to communal areas like pubs, cinemas etc.
With right to refuse comes the duty to live by the consequence.
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It's funny, he said he'd only have one should it be required to go on holiday ?
 
drdel said:
I'd wish the media could make it clear that just because something is permitted doesn't mean you should or must do it.
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The media needs those who are saying it is permitted to be more definite on the circumstances that it is so.

Where there is uncertainty or latitude/flexibility in direction or decision making, individuals will fill that void with whatever best suits their own wishes, circumstances or purposes.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The media needs those who are saying it is permitted to be more definite on the circumstances that it is so.

Where there is uncertainty or latitude/flexibility in direction or decision making, individuals will fill that void with whatever best suits their own wishes, circumstances or purposes.
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Come on, no government can spell out every circumstance. Credit had go to to be given for people to use common sense within the "new freedom".
Should they have said' you can meet indoors but no touching?'
Clearly an unsustainable advice. Because they know that saying you can meet up as family and friends indoors will mean some will go overboard with the touching and proximity in enclosed rooms for a long time, and with whom, and some will still use an element of caution etc.
So, again, everything isn't the governments responsibility.
 
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pauljames87 said:
Someone I know won't take it until next year when more have had it

His reasoning is they refusing to take liability for the vaccine

If he died for example but where as other jabs they will

I dunno how true but if it is just take liability if it's making people wary
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Your friend is an idiot. When a Govt brings forward authorisation for a medicine ahead of the normal regulatory application by the company, they pick up liability because they "own" the application, as it were. When the vaccines get their full regular approval and reverts to the manufacturer, so does liability.

Still, kinda impressive to see someone risking death, a rather unpleasant one, or a stay in ICU or long Covid over a misunderstood and essentially irrelevant point of principle.
 
Ethan said:
Your friend is an idiot. When a Govt brings forward authorisation for a medicine ahead of the normal regulatory application by the company, they pick up liability because they "own" the application, as it were. When the vaccines get their full regular approval and reverts to the manufacturer, so does liability.

Still, kinda impressive to see someone risking death, a rather unpleasant one, or a stay in ICU or long Covid over a misunderstood and essentially irrelevant point of principle.
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He's in today and said he is trying to book the vaccine now

So must have talked some sense into him
 
Earlier appointments for second jabs coming up around my area of you are willing to travel a little to Boston. Small convoy out of my village on Sunday full of people eager to get this done as quickly as possible. I cannot book mine for dates earlier than 2 weeks time and my existing appointment is only 5 days later so I will hold on those few days unless I get a text to move me forward.
 
One question that has been rattling around in my head. Some comments on the radio last night about how certain areas in the North West could face local lockdown due to the indian variant spreading and that these areas have been in some form of lockdown for much of the year. So, why always this area in the North West. At every stage of the pandemic they seem to have got it worse than most. Is is social conditions, is it mass disobedience, I really do not know but it does seem to be that if there is a hot spot, it seems to be Bolton and Blackburn.
 
AmandaJR said:
Is it wrong that I think all those refusing the vaccine should be made to work in a Covid ward without PPE?! Might make them think twice about their decision??

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It is wrong; they should be charged for the medical care they receive, and then be made to work in a Covid ward without PPE. ?
 
GB72 said:
One question that has been rattling around in my head. Some comments on the radio last night about how certain areas in the North West could face local lockdown due to the indian variant spreading and that these areas have been in some form of lockdown for much of the year. So, why always this area in the North West. At every stage of the pandemic they seem to have got it worse than most. Is is social conditions, is it mass disobedience, I really do not know but it does seem to be that if there is a hot spot, it seems to be Bolton and Blackburn.
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This is a pretty sweeping statement I know however I woudl say that given the local populations in those areas it is a cultural thing. Traditions and the way things are done taking priority over the requests to stay at home, don't go into other peoples homes and mix in numbers etc.
 
I think we need to remember there is a big difference between refusing the vaccine, and not having a vaccine due to other reasons... a lot of bandwagon-jumping and assumptions that unvaccinated people are that way by choice. (not specific to the above, but I think its worth raising)
 
Rooter said:
I think we need to remember there is a big difference between refusing the vaccine, and not having a vaccine due to other reasons... a lot of bandwagon-jumping and assumptions that unvaccinated people are that way by choice. (not specific to the above, but I think its worth raising)
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Agree but in the areas that are hotspots at the moment they are generally made up of a high number of BAME communities where it has been well documented about their hesitancy towards having the vaccine. This isn't due to not being able to this is largely due to disinformation being spread within their communities and they will pay the price unless their own communities can get together and try and get the message across that it is for their own good to have it done especially given the way a lot of them live with multi-generational households where protecting the elderly is a lot harder with so many under one roof.
 
My first vaccine details are now on my NHS app with a QR code to scan as proof. So passports are a step closer and as we approach most adults being offered the jab, I will be happy for vaccination status to allow or deny access to public areas. Refuseniks are welcome to be so but they need to be shielding and not in public places
 
Rooter said:
I think we need to remember there is a big difference between refusing the vaccine, and not having a vaccine due to other reasons... a lot of bandwagon-jumping and assumptions that unvaccinated people are that way by choice. (not specific to the above, but I think its worth raising)
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I don't think for one minute that there are any here who are making the assumptions you speak of. That's why the word "refusal " is almost always used.
I do feel very sorry for anyone who wants the vaccine but cannot take it, for whatever genuine reason. Perhaps Ethan knows what is available to these unfortunate people to get protected. Is there an oral delivery available , etc.?
Whatever can be done for a genuine person, I'm sure the authorities will do it, if it can be done.
 
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