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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

pauljames87 said:
Someone I know won't take it until next year when more have had it

His reasoning is they refusing to take liability for the vaccine

If he died for example but where as other jabs they will

I dunno how true but if it is just take liability if it's making people wary
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6 months plus time in testing, 33 million and counting. How many more is he going to wait for?

Edit just seen your later comment
 
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Old Skier said:
If she dies she will never be pregnant not withstanding the unknown effects covid may have on fertility.
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Does she actually know if she is capable of conceiving; whilst it might be a reasonable assumption that she could, some women and men are infertile, could she be putting off the jab for something that can't happen anyway?
 
GB72 said:
Is there any difference between the component elements of the various vaccines to allow people with certain allergies to have one of the vaccines? Even with the potential for an allergic reaction, is it possible to monitor and treat the symptoms of the reaction whilst the vaccine does its thing (maybe possible now with free hospital beds) or am I watching too many US medical dramas and these things do not happen outside of House etc.
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Yes, there are differences between the other ingredients (known as excipients) used in manufacturing. Both the major vaccines have some, but neither of them have both of the common ones, so all but a vanishingly small number of people should be able to find one to suit them.
 
We are now being told we should not travel to countries on the amber list for leisure.

In that case, why have an amber list? Surely just a green list and a red list would be better?

In related news, 150 holiday flights left the UK yesterday to go to countries on the amber list - what proportion of those holidaymakers will actually properly self-isolate on their return?
 
pauljames87 said:
Another colleague doesn't want to have it as she hasnt had kids yet and she worried what it might do to her chances as there hasn't been trails on peoples fertility long term

Can kind of understand
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Tell her that she won't have too many babies if she dies from Covid. Or if some of the downstream inflammatory effects of Covid affect the reproductive system. Both of these are very much more likely than the vaccine affecting fertility.

OK, maybe a bit harsh.

This scare story betrays a lack of understanding of how vaccines work. There is no plausible way in which vaccines could affect fertility. Medicines can be distributed throughout the body or act locally. Covid vaccines act locally, not going far from the deltoid into which they were injected, and only stick around for about 48 hours. Their job is simply to present an antigen or, in this case, a genetic code or mRNA , to the immune system which then kicks into action. This is the same immune system that acts daily to deal with bacteria and other intruders. The immune system then does the heavy lifting and creates the antibodies etc. The only plausible effect on fertility would be if the antibodies generated cross reacted with something vital to reproduction. If that were the case, it is highly likely to have happened already because everybody has been exposed to numerous coronaviruses already, and the same immune system has been doing the work.
 
Ethan said:
Tell her that she won't have too many babies if she dies from Covid. Or if some of the downstream inflammatory effects of Covid affect the reproductive system. Both of these are very much more likely than the vaccine affecting fertility.

OK, maybe a bit harsh.

This scare story betrays a lack of understanding of how vaccines work. There is no plausible way in which vaccines could affect fertility. Medicines can be distributed throughout the body or act locally. Covid vaccines act locally, not going far from the deltoid into which they were injected, and only stick around for about 48 hours. Their job is simply to present an antigen or, in this case, a genetic code or mRNA , to the immune system which then kicks into action. This is the same immune system that acts daily to deal with bacteria and other intruders. The immune system then does the heavy lifting and creates the antibodies etc. The only plausible effect on fertility would be if the antibodies generated cross reacted with something vital to reproduction. If that were the case, it is highly likely to have happened already because everybody has been exposed to numerous coronaviruses already, and the same immune system has been doing the work.
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However phizer is a complete new way to make a vaccine is it not? And that's what the under 40s will get in the main

So if it's a new way how do we know the affects yet? Unlike tried and tested methods that AZ used?
 
pauljames87 said:
However phizer is a complete new way to make a vaccine is it not? And that's what the under 40s will get in the main

So if it's a new way how do we know the affects yet? Unlike tried and tested methods that AZ used?
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Pfizer is an mRNA vaccine, but the mRNAs have very specific functions , in this case to stimulate creation of a spike protein, locally at the site of injection. The spike protein cannot affect fertility and it wouldn't get anywhere near the organs involved anyway. mRNA medicines have previously been produced for other diseases. The fact this one is a vaccine is irrelevant.

The AZ vaccine is based on technology used in previous vaccines, but it introduces a new element which has proven to be an issue, the viral vector. In some ways, I think it is more complicated and capable of causing more effects, although there is no plausible theory why it could affect the reproductive system.

The original claim is based on the fact that there is a protein on the placenta which looks vaguely like the spike protein, so antibody against the spike protein could attack this. But the external appearance of the protein is irrelevant, because antibody binding is based on receptors and the receptors on the spike protein are pretty unique to the coronavirus.
 
rudebhoy said:
We are now being told we should not travel to countries on the amber list for leisure.

In that case, why have an amber list? Surely just a green list and a red list would be better?

In related news, 150 holiday flights left the UK yesterday to go to countries on the amber list - what proportion of those holidaymakers will actually properly self-isolate on their return?
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Those who feel they have to do what’s required of them by the government; actually pay that much attention to what the government requires of them, and have a wider social responsibility rather than just to themselves.
 
Question for Ethan,

I had the first AZ jab and had no side effects to start with apart from sore arm. I then had pins and needles, raging pulse in my arm for 3-4 weeks that stopped me sleeping and the arm felt like someone had tightened it.

Got a message about my second jab and just curious as to what you'd advise. I'm early 30's, fit, average BMI etc. Should I go for it or wait and get a different second jab in a few months once trials about mixing are complete?
 
rudebhoy said:
We are now being told we should not travel to countries on the amber list for leisure.

In that case, why have an amber list? Surely just a green list and a red list would be better?

In related news, 150 holiday flights left the UK yesterday to go to countries on the amber list - what proportion of those holidaymakers will actually properly self-isolate on their return?
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Interesting point about amber list countries on our local news. Some countries will not let you in in unless you have a very good reason to be let in. ( e.g. they had brought up Germany ).
 
I'm due to go to Netherlands for work on Sunday and am struggling to find anywhere to get the required PCR test before I travel. Have spoken to a couple of places and they've said that they are getting hundreds of calls a day from people wanting to get the test to go on holiday. The clinic I went to last time before my trip in March hasn't got any availability until 14th June.
 
4LEX said:
Question for Ethan,

I had the first AZ jab and had no side effects to start with apart from sore arm. I then had pins and needles, raging pulse in my arm for 3-4 weeks that stopped me sleeping and the arm felt like someone had tightened it.

Got a message about my second jab and just curious as to what you'd advise. I'm early 30's, fit, average BMI etc. Should I go for it or wait and get a different second jab in a few months once trials about mixing are complete?
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A sore arm for a day or so is pretty common, but that sounds like maybe the jab hit a nerve. It doesn't sound like an allergic reaction. I would tell the people at the clinic when you go for the second one and maybe use the other arm.
 
One hundred and ten direct flights from India have landed in the UK in the three and a half weeks since the country was placed on the travel Red List amid rising concerns about Covid-19 variants, LBC can reveal.
Analysis of flight data by LBC shows that direct flights from India have continued to land in the UK at a rate of 4.5 per day, despite growing fears about a variant that has spread rapidly and quickly become dominant across much of India.


While the UK government has banned direct flights from 11 other Red List countries that have direct flights to the UK, including Brazil and South Africa, it did not adopt a similar policy when India was placed the list. Flights are also allowed from neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Boris Johnson warned last week that rapidly rising cases of the named B1.617.2 variant, first detected in India, could derail plans to end social distancing on 21st June.

Last Friday, the Prime Minister held a press conference to warn the British public of ministers’ and scientific advisers’ fears over the variant. On that day alone, seven direct flights from India arrived in the UK.


NHS Test and Trace data shows that, in the 14 days between 22nd April and 5th May, 4,258 travellers arriving from India undertook Covid tests - far more than the number arriving from any other country in the world, except Pakistan. Of those arriving from India during the 14 day period, 299 (7%) tested positive for Covid.

Read more: Indian variant more transmissible but vaccines appear effective, Matt Hancock says

Read more: Ministers urge greater vaccine uptake as cases of Indian Covid variant grow


If this trend continued for the most recent fortnight, almost 8,500 passengers would be expected to have arrived from India since the country was placed on the Red List. Around 600 of them are likely to have been infected with Covid-19.


Test and Trace data suggests that almost half (46%) of those who tested positive after arriving from India were infected with a worrying variant – either a “Variant of Concern” or a “Variant Under Investigation”.

While almost all passengers from Red List countries have to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days, concerns have repeatedly been voiced about passengers from high-risk countries mixing with other passengers and airport staff while queuing for hours at UK airports. Currently, passengers use the same airport terminals as those arriving from Amber and Green-rated countries.

Read more: 'Why are we letting planes in?': Furious caller's outburst as Indian variant rises in UK

Industry sources told LBC that airport bosses raised concerns about this problem during discussions with the government in January, but claimed that the Department for Transport “did not engage” on the matter. Today, Boris Johnson’s spokesperson today suggested it was airports' responsibility to ensure queues at arrivals were Covid secure.

British Airways and Virgin are operating a combined several flights each day from Mumbai and Delhi, while BA also offers routes from Bengaluru and Hyderabad. Indian airlines Air India and Vistara are also flying several times a week.


- words fail me.
 
rudebhoy said:
One hundred and ten direct flights from India have landed in the UK in the three and a half weeks since the country was placed on the travel Red List amid rising concerns about Covid-19 variants, LBC can reveal.
Analysis of flight data by LBC shows that direct flights from India have continued to land in the UK at a rate of 4.5 per day, despite growing fears about a variant that has spread rapidly and quickly become dominant across much of India.


While the UK government has banned direct flights from 11 other Red List countries that have direct flights to the UK, including Brazil and South Africa, it did not adopt a similar policy when India was placed the list. Flights are also allowed from neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Boris Johnson warned last week that rapidly rising cases of the named B1.617.2 variant, first detected in India, could derail plans to end social distancing on 21st June.

Last Friday, the Prime Minister held a press conference to warn the British public of ministers’ and scientific advisers’ fears over the variant. On that day alone, seven direct flights from India arrived in the UK.


NHS Test and Trace data shows that, in the 14 days between 22nd April and 5th May, 4,258 travellers arriving from India undertook Covid tests - far more than the number arriving from any other country in the world, except Pakistan. Of those arriving from India during the 14 day period, 299 (7%) tested positive for Covid.

Read more: Indian variant more transmissible but vaccines appear effective, Matt Hancock says

Read more: Ministers urge greater vaccine uptake as cases of Indian Covid variant grow


If this trend continued for the most recent fortnight, almost 8,500 passengers would be expected to have arrived from India since the country was placed on the Red List. Around 600 of them are likely to have been infected with Covid-19.


Test and Trace data suggests that almost half (46%) of those who tested positive after arriving from India were infected with a worrying variant – either a “Variant of Concern” or a “Variant Under Investigation”.

While almost all passengers from Red List countries have to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days, concerns have repeatedly been voiced about passengers from high-risk countries mixing with other passengers and airport staff while queuing for hours at UK airports. Currently, passengers use the same airport terminals as those arriving from Amber and Green-rated countries.

Read more: 'Why are we letting planes in?': Furious caller's outburst as Indian variant rises in UK

Industry sources told LBC that airport bosses raised concerns about this problem during discussions with the government in January, but claimed that the Department for Transport “did not engage” on the matter. Today, Boris Johnson’s spokesperson today suggested it was airports' responsibility to ensure queues at arrivals were Covid secure.

British Airways and Virgin are operating a combined several flights each day from Mumbai and Delhi, while BA also offers routes from Bengaluru and Hyderabad. Indian airlines Air India and Vistara are also flying several times a week.


- words fail me.
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My words might get me an infraction and ban ?
 
I can only guess how the lady feels about taking the vaccine because of what she may of heard, but a 2 min search found this.....

"There is currently no evidence that any vaccines, including Covid-19 vaccines, cause fertility problems — problems trying to get pregnant," according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's page about the safety of the vaccines for women's reproductive health.

It's a sad state of affairs when people are more inclined to believe some unknown person on twitter rather than the experts in their field.
Tell your friend to do her own research and ask herself the question ''would the scientists have risked their reputations and released the vaccine without testng it first?''
Of course not.
The bottom line is taking the vaccine will not affect her chances of having children, not taking the vaccine and possibly dying will.
 
bobmac said:
I can only guess how the lady feels about taking the vaccine because of what she may of heard, but a 2 min search found this.....

"There is currently no evidence that any vaccines, including Covid-19 vaccines, cause fertility problems — problems trying to get pregnant," according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's page about the safety of the vaccines for women's reproductive health.

It's a sad state of affairs when people are more inclined to believe some unknown person on twitter rather than the experts in their field.
Tell your friend to do her own research and ask herself the question ''would the scientists have risked their reputations and released the vaccine without testng it first?''
Of course not.
The bottom line is taking the vaccine will not affect her chances of having children, not taking the vaccine and possibly dying will.
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However Bob, read that again carefully

There is currently no evidence

That's what I read to her when discussing it

She simply said what if down the line evidence shows it does?

Again fair enough

There is not "bottom line"

It's far far far too easy for us men to second guess what a lady would think of something that we just brush off because our level our understanding is different

There are others who won't even question it , but if somebody is worried all this "oh it's far more risky to get covid and die" phrase of speaking just makes people switch off and even less likely to listen to reason.
 
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