Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Deleted member 15344]

Going to raise this again but the 2nd dose delay issue is not going away. We are the only country in the world going on a 12 week 2nd does strategy when it should be 3 and no more than 6 at worst.
My mum had this jab last week, 93 yo. She has been told 12 weeks for repeat. Unsettled by this.
Do we do this half baked or do we do it right.......by waiting longer for enough supply? At the moment - half baked it seems on the basis that some defence is better than no defence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084

There have been so many varying opinions on it all without actually waiting to see if giving the first vaccine provides enough immunity for little steps to move forward.

There have been plenty of people who have had their second dose already but then there are millions sat waiting just for their first and a majority of them will be waiting for 6 months - and that majority are the ones out working away right now trying to keep things moving.

The more people getting a level of immunity to better for us all to move forward. There are bigger dangers ahead if we continue to be locked away for extended periods

 

[Blue in Munich]

If we don’t have enough police officers to attend such mass gatherings there’s something seriously wrong, if 10 officers attended they should have been able to take names and addresses so they could have been fined.

This pandemic is to serious to let these mass gatherings continue.

The establishment is about !30,000 which I believe is for England & Wales.

Out of that establishment you need to take the specialist squads, more administrative based functions, senior management, training departments, CID, complaints, etc.

Then you need to account for abstractions for stuff like court appearances, training, sickness and annual leave.

That will take a very large percentage of the establishment away from the front line.

Then using the old early, lates, nights, off rota, only one quarter of those are on duty art any one time.

So how many police officers do you think are instantly available to front line duties at any time?

 

[Kellfire]

There have been so many varying opinions on it all without actually waiting to see if giving the first vaccine provides enough immunity for little steps to move forward.

There have been plenty of people who have had their second dose already but then there are millions sat waiting just for their first and a majority of them will be waiting for 6 months - and that majority are the ones out working away right now trying to keep things moving.

The more people getting a level of immunity to better for us all to move forward. There are bigger dangers ahead if we continue to be locked away for extended periods

Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084

Not everyone agrees with you.

We simply don’t know if the twelve week gap will be worth it in the long run. Fingers crossed it is!

 

[USER1999]

Not a fan of faith schools. To me, all schools should be secular, so bulldozing gets my vote.

 

[Captainron]

Unreal, but maybe not unexpected. Perhaps they'll get to meet Him sooner than they expect...

He’s not there to meet though is he.
Made up bunch of balls!

 

[bobmac]

Do we do this half baked or do we do it right.......by waiting longer for enough supply? At the moment - half baked it seems on the basis that some defence is better than no defence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084

Bearing in mind it was only 6 and a half weeks ago since the first person was vaccinated, what data are you using to make that decision?
I read the Pfizer vaccine is 90% effective after one dose and the Oxford 70%

Although you can still catch covid after one dose, the patient is much less likely to become seriously ill.
That is why the advice is still to be vigilant after being vaccinated.

 

[Captainron]

Back in at 6.00 today. Three admissions and two deaths overnight and several end of life discussions booked today so this isn't abating. The rota for today a total mess and scrambling round for staff. Going to be another toughie, so forgive me if for the moment I don't share any of this "green shoots" positivity

What were the backgrounds of the 2 deceased?
Age, underlying health issues etc

 

[Tashyboy]

A friend's 30 year old son, fit and healthy before catching the virus, died today of Covid.
He'd been in hospital for 2 months and seemed to be slowly recovering, but suddenly relapsed.
Seemingly during all his time in hospital he never once tested negative.

Thoughts

The police are doing something about it. Its just that there's millions of us and only thousands of them. In our town we have 2 dedicated covid teams. They go from job to job all day.

What's crazy is they have no powers of entry for covid. So basically if you've got 6 people in your house and the police come knocking if they don't answer the door the police can't get in

Spoke to the daughter about this, she’s a Bobby. I mentioned about the Gov saying the police will enforce the new £800 fines and 15 plus gatherings. She said “ really”. The sad thing is she said “ there ain’t enough police to do it” it is that widespread.

 

[anotherdouble]

Not a fan of faith schools. To me, all schools should be secular, so bulldozing gets my vote.

But if they are secular how can the naughty child be told to stand in the corner ?‍

 

[Kellfire]

Bearing in mind it was only 6 and a half weeks ago since the first person was vaccinated, what data are you using to make that decision?
I read the Pfizer vaccine is 90% effective after one dose and the Oxford 70%
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Although you can still catch covid after one dose, the patient is much less likely to become seriously ill.
That is why the advice is still to be vigilant after being vaccinated.

Because they don’t know if the immunity will drop off beyond three weeks, Pfizer recommend the second within the three weeks where possible. WHO have said four weeks, with six in exceptional circumstances.

 

[harpo_72]

Tried to get the apartment keys returned to Sweden via UPS who are quite reliable, but they have gone AWOL not sure if it’s corona or paperwork issues that are imaginary and must not be mentioned because they don’t exist or deemed political....

 

[clubchamp98]

Because they don’t know if the immunity will drop off beyond three weeks, Pfizer recommend the second within the three weeks where possible. WHO have said four weeks, with six in exceptional circumstances.

Not quite the same but most things are voided if you delibaretly use a product against the manufacturer’s instructions.
If it turns out the 12 week wait is to long the government will get some stick.
People could die .
They are just guessing and hoping .
These drug companies do the research and their testing should be adhered to imo.
I can see why the government are doing the one vaccine strategy but hope they are right.

 

[Captainron]

Tried to get the apartment keys returned to Sweden via UPS who are quite reliable, but they have gone AWOL not sure if it’s corona or paperwork issues that are imaginary and must not be mentioned because they don’t exist or deemed political....

Nope. UPS have suck a backlog of work since the UK left the EU. DB Schenker and DPD have suspended operations and this has put more pressure on UPS.

Only around 10% of shipments in and out of the country actually have the correct paperwork first time.

It’s a proper mess

 

[bobmac]

Because they don’t know if the immunity will drop off beyond three weeks, Pfizer recommend the second within the three weeks where possible. WHO have said four weeks, with six in exceptional circumstances.

Because of the urgency of getting the vaccine approved, they used 3 weeks between doses during their tests, that's why they have recommended 3 weeks. If they had used 12 weeks during their testing, nobody would get vaccinated until March.
No one knows for sure what affect delaying the second dose will have because we're only 6 weeks into it. But if the first dose prevents serious illness, I'm happy to see everyone at risk getting one dose to start with.

 

[Kellfire]

Because of the urgency of getting the vaccine approved, they used 3 weeks between doses during their tests, that's why they have recommended 3 weeks. If they had used 12 weeks during their testing, nobody would have been vaccinated until March.
No one knows for sure what affect delaying the second dose will have because we're only 6 weeks into it. But if the first dose prevents serious illness, I'm happy to see everyone at risk getting one dose to start with.

And that’s fine but we don’t know if this will end up causing the two dose combination to have too low an immune response to effectively fight the virus in the long term.

It’s guess work either way but we have better evidence for a shorter term target and this is backed by both the manufacturers and the WHO.

We have to hope the government’s gamble is right.

 

[bobmac]

And that’s fine but we don’t know if this will end up causing the two dose combination to have too low an immune response to effectively fight the virus in the long term.

It’s guess work either way but we have better evidence for a shorter term target and this is backed by both the manufacturers and the WHO.

We have to hope the government’s gamble is right.

I read that the second dose extends the effectiveness of the first dose.
Of course I could be wrong.
Have you found any numbers of people dying from Covid after the first jab? I'm still looking

 

[Kellfire]

I read that the second dose extends the effectiveness of the first dose.
Of course I could be wrong.
Have you found any numbers of people dying from Covid after the first jab? I'm still looking

Yea we know the second dose should extend the effectiveness but we haven’t tested that at twelve weeks which is why it’s an odd gamble to be using that target.

And no, I haven’t looked for such figures.

 

[bobmac]

Start watching at 8:40 secs

 

[hovis]

If we don’t have enough police officers to attend such mass gatherings there’s something seriously wrong, if 10 officers attended they should have been able to take names and addresses so they could have been fined.

This pandemic is to serious to let these mass gatherings continue.

Yes, there is something seriously wrong. We don't have enough police. I don't seem to remember many people banging the table over the years of constant cuts to the emergency services. To the public its just something that's in the background and doesn't effect them. Now, fast forward a few years and the public expect the police to deploy from hidden cupboards and quash all the covid scumbags!!!!! Last bank holiday my area had two police officers for the whole town. This is not the fault of the police. Believe me, they hate it just as much as you

 

[harpo_72]

Nope. UPS have suck a backlog of work since the UK left the EU. DB Schenker and DPD have suspended operations and this has put more pressure on UPS.

Only around 10% of shipments in and out of the country actually have the correct paperwork first time.

It’s a proper mess

I suspected as much, but I don’t think we are allowed to say that as it’s related to a political stance ?. Let’s brush it under the carpet and say we have import export goblins