Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

ColchesterFC said:
This morning we got the phone call we'd been hoping we wouldn't get. Mrs Colch's dad phoned to say that he couldn't breathe and needed help. Immediately got on to 999 and had paramedics with him within 9 minutes who got him on oxygen and took him back in to hospital. Now back to keeping our fingers crossed that he'll make it though this.
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Thoughts with you all me man.
 
Swinglowandslow said:
Hopefully, Ethan will explain fully. I know what you mean, in that my little dog is sick and I've been speaking to vet a lot recently. He was away for a while( thought a few days off) and turns out when he came back that he had been isolating. His wife had Covid, and he had had no symptoms whatever.
He couldn't see how he could not have had it, in house with children too,etc.
So he was going to have a antibody test . Spoke days later, the test was negative.
As the Yanks say, "Go Figure".
If I had to bet, knowing next to nowt about it, I would plump for-
1. He had it with no symptoms and he had the antibody test too early for them to show. Or
2. Somehow he escaped infection when he "should" have got infected.

If you have had Covid then you will have antibodies for some while after.
The vaccine will bolster that, giving more / longer protection. This is what I understood Prof Whitby said today
Just my opinion.
Ethan will clarify ?
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If you get Covid, you will develop normally a similar antibody response to that generated by vaccine. The immune response can vary, with some asymptomatic people having a relatively weak response, and others who receive a higher viral load having a stronger response. Vaccines generate a fairly strong response in most people. Some people, especially younger people can repel the virus without even needing to generate antibodies, it barely gets a chance to settle. They skip straight to using kicking it out with T-cells and registering it with their immune memory, and therefore you can be antibody negative but still immune, and that is the same immune memory we see after about 6 months with vaccine too, the antibodies will fall away but that doesn't mean loss of immunity, it simply means you have let the antibodies stand down from patrol but can call them up again if needed.

Your mate might have repelled the virus that way, but he may simply have never caught it. Some people are just not easy for viruses to stick to, and the receptor sites in his lungs may just be lucky that way. So he was definitely exposed, but may have dodged it anyway. I wouldn't bother with an antibody test if I were him. Just wait for his turn for the vaccine and have it either way.
 
Ethan said:
If you get Covid, you will develop normally a similar antibody response to that generated by vaccine. The immune response can vary, with some asymptomatic people having a relatively weak response, and others who receive a higher viral load having a stronger response. Vaccines generate a fairly strong response in most people. Some people, especially younger people can repel the virus without even needing to generate antibodies, it barely gets a chance to settle. They skip straight to using kicking it out with T-cells and registering it with their immune memory, and therefore you can be antibody negative but still immune, and that is the same immune memory we see after about 6 months with vaccine too, the antibodies will fall away but that doesn't mean loss of immunity, it simply means you have let the antibodies stand down from patrol but can call them up again if needed.

Your mate might have repelled the virus that way, but he may simply have never caught it. Some people are just not easy for viruses to stick to, and the receptor sites in his lungs may just be lucky that way. So he was definitely exposed, but may have dodged it anyway. I wouldn't bother with an antibody test if I were him. Just wait for his turn for the vaccine and have it either way.
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Ethan

Just having a natter with Missis T. We have both had Covid. She was poorly in February, being a nurse she wrote down the signs and symptoms in her phone. When she had Covid in Dec/ Jan she wrote them down again. Nigh on identical.
Anyway as you mentioned your antibodies stand down once the Covid is gone.However if one was to be infected with a strain from South Africa or Brazil would your body remember this new Covid strain or would it identify it as a new strain and have to create new antibodies. In essence is the body prepared or would it have to start all over again.
Cheers me man.
 
A friend's 30 year old son, fit and healthy before catching the virus, died today of Covid.:cry:
He'd been in hospital for 2 months and seemed to be slowly recovering, but suddenly relapsed.
Seemingly during all his time in hospital he never once tested negative.
 
Ethan said:
There are many examples where one couple caused outbreaks affecting dozens. 400 people could cause an outbreak that would change the national picture. It is utterly reckless and self-unaware and whoever did it damn well knew it was way past illegal. The school should be ashamed of itself, and know well that this was an illegal gathering which would put their community at risk. A GP from this area commented on this case on doctors social media and said that this was not an isolated example around that area, although it may have been the biggest.
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As you say this utterly selfish behavior could affect thousands of people, what I don’t understand is why the government/ police are allowing this to carry on.
 
Back in at 6.00 today. Three admissions and two deaths overnight and several end of life discussions booked today so this isn't abating. The rota for today a total mess and scrambling round for staff. Going to be another toughie, so forgive me if for the moment I don't share any of this "green shoots" positivity
 
Rlburnside said:
As you say this utterly selfish behavior could affect thousands of people, what I don’t understand is why the government/ police are allowing this to carry on.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

What on earth do you mean by that; how have the government & police allowed this to carry on? The police have become aware of it, raided it & shut it down; what more can they do? Fine the school I would hope, but beyond that, what?
 
He obviously thinks they have access to the kind of system Tom Cruise used in Minority Report where they can find about such events in advance of them actually happening.
 
Blue in Munich said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55764673

What on earth do you mean by that; how have the government & police allowed this to carry on? The police have become aware of it, raided it & shut it down; what more can they do? Fine the school I would hope, but beyond that, what?
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Apparently there are more gatherings like this in the area the government say this shouldn’t be happening and people could be fined for breaking the lockdown.

Why are they not putting more pressure on the police to fine more people? Reports are quoting 150 people attended this event and the organizers may be fined £10.000 , but why were so few people fined for attending this gathering?

Reports say some people ran away when the police came but if the police were attending they could have blocked all exits and dealt with everyone more harshly and sent out a message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
 
Rlburnside said:
As you say this utterly selfish behavior could affect thousands of people, what I don’t understand is why the government/ police are allowing this to carry on.
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The police are doing something about it. Its just that there's millions of us and only thousands of them. In our town we have 2 dedicated covid teams. They go from job to job all day.

What's crazy is they have no powers of entry for covid. So basically if you've got 6 people in your house and the police come knocking if they don't answer the door the police can't get in
 
Rlburnside said:
Apparently there are more gatherings like this in the area the government say this shouldn’t be happening and people could be fined for breaking the lockdown.

Why are they not putting more pressure on the police to fine more people? Reports are quoting 150 people attended this event and the organizers may be fined £10.000 , but why were so few people fined for attending this gathering?

Reports say some people ran away when the police came but if the police were attending they could have blocked all exits and dealt with everyone more harshly and sent out a message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
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How do you know pressure is not being put upon police to fine people; how many exits are there at that school; how many police would be required; how many were on duty & available when this happened? Absolutely no idea of the logistics & circumstances but we'll give the old Bill a slagging for doing their job & breaking up the party. Absolutely priceless.

No invective against the people that organised it or the school that accepted the booking, just the Government & the Police. Give your head a shake.
 
hovis said:
The police are doing something about it. Its just that there's millions of us and only thousands of them. In our town we have 2 dedicated covid teams. They go from job to job all day.

What's crazy is they have no powers of entry for covid. So basically if you've got 6 people in your house and the police come knocking if they don't answer the door the police can't get in
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If we don’t have enough police officers to attend such mass gatherings there’s something seriously wrong, if 10 officers attended they should have been able to take names and addresses so they could have been fined.

This pandemic is to serious to let these mass gatherings continue.
 
Blue in Munich said:
How do you know pressure is not being put upon police to fine people; how many exits are there at that school; how many police would be required; how many were on duty & available when this happened? Absolutely no idea of the logistics & circumstances but we'll give the old Bill a slagging for doing their job & breaking up the party. Absolutely priceless.

No invective against the people that organised it or the school that accepted the booking, just the Government & the Police. Give your head a shake.
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It was never my intention to slag the police off just asking the question.

I think the organizers are being dealt with that’s why I didn’t mention them.

What’s the answer then just let these gatherings continue.
 
Rlburnside said:
Apparently there are more gatherings like this in the area the government say this shouldn’t be happening and people could be fined for breaking the lockdown.

Why are they not putting more pressure on the police to fine more people? Reports are quoting 150 people attended this event and the organizers may be fined £10.000 , but why were so few people fined for attending this gathering?

Reports say some people ran away when the police came but if the police were attending they could have blocked all exits and dealt with everyone more harshly and sent out a message that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
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Please think this through. There are not dozens of Police in cupboards waiting to be deployed to such reports. This was a school premises, the layout would not be familiar to the officers, but would be to the offenders.
Unless you had a large number of officers able to be covertly deployed to all exits then offenders could flee.
This is what they did.
Now as for future such regular "community" events, then things get difficult these days. What you suggest as a policy to stop this, goes beyond the function of the police. New laws are needed to stop it. Fines are "costed" in to the event, it has been suggested.
It is often said that policing in this country is "policing by consent" , but , it seems to me that we are now seeing people being aware that if enough of them decide to do what they want together, then the law will have to put up with it.
Policing today is a nightmare. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/QUOTE]
 
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Going to raise this again but the 2nd dose delay issue is not going away. We are the only country in the world going on a 12 week 2nd does strategy when it should be 3 and no more than 6 at worst.
My mum had this jab last week, 93 yo. She has been told 12 weeks for repeat. Unsettled by this.
Do we do this half baked or do we do it right.......by waiting longer for enough supply? At the moment - half baked it seems on the basis that some defence is better than no defence.:(

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084
 
Rlburnside said:
As you say this utterly selfish behavior could affect thousands of people, what I don’t understand is why the government/ police are allowing this to carry on.
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Rlburnside said:
It was never my intention to slag the police off just asking the question.

I think the organizers are being dealt with that’s why I didn’t mention them.

What’s the answer then just let these gatherings continue.
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And there is is again; the sly inference that the government & police are complicit in this. They have not allowed, they have not let; the organisers have ignored. Government has made clear what is & isn't allowed, but this particular community has decided that a wedding is more important and have ignored the guidance, and organised it in contravention of the guidance.

How do we solve it? Simple; absolutely hammer everyone involved in it if the evidence supports it. The school for accepting the booking; the organisers; if there was a professional caterer then cane them; if the ceremony took place at the premises then fine the Rabbi. If the school has got previous for this then take it out of the control of the owners; confiscate it or bulldoze it, I don't care which, but send a message that this is not acceptable. Send the message. And wait for the complaints about police heavy handedness to roll it.

The source of the issue is the pure selfishness or sense of entitlement of those who ignore the rules, be it a posh school or an illegal rave, and I'm not sure that any government or police force has a cure for selfishness.
 
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