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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

funkycoldmedina said:
ACE2 receptors btw are how the virus get into the lung cells, replicate and then burst out.
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One thing that raised an eyebrow with me is the number of patients in dialysis machines. I've not tried to look it up but did wonder is it that the virus attacks all the organs or is it the number of dead cells the kidneys are having to deal with?
 
hovis said:
why do people have to wear gloves and masks?
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They don’t have to, but it certainly helps limit the spread if they have it and don’t know they do.

Update:
PM just stated that SAGE believes face coverings will be useful for both epidemioligal reasons and giving people confidence when they go about their business.
 
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hovis said:
why do people have to wear gloves and masks?
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Imagine you're working in ITU and the person you're dealing with imparts 10,000,000 bugs onto your gloves. When you peel them off, you peel off the thick end of 10,000,000. Then wash your hands.

999 people out of 1000 wash off all the bugs. Some might leave 500 bugs. 1 person gets it.

If you don't wear the gloves you increase the risk. Its a numbers thing - BTW, that's a very simplistic way for me to explain it. There'll be someone out there who can give you better numbers.

For masks its the aerosol thing but similarly, when you take the mask off you remove most of the bugs. Shower, and you remove the rest.

EDIT: oops, Paul's just replied.
 
Hobbit said:
Imagine you're working in ITU and the person you're dealing with imparts 10,000,000 bugs onto your gloves. When you peel them off, you peel off the thick end of 10,000,000. Then wash your hands.

999 people out of 1000 wash off all the bugs. Some might leave 500 bugs. 1 person gets it.

If you don't wear the gloves you increase the risk. Its a numbers thing - BTW, that's a very simplistic way for me to explain it. There'll be someone out there who can give you better numbers.

For masks its the aerosol thing but similarly, when you take the mask off you remove most of the bugs. Shower, and you remove the rest.

EDIT: oops, Paul's just replied.
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that's if people peel them off. the amount of people I have seen arrive at the supermarket wearing gloves, do their shopping and then drive home wearing the same pair! omg
 
funkycoldmedina said:
Children have less ACE2 receptors on their lung cells compared to adults. Men have more than women hence why more men are succumbing.
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Having fewer receptors is not the same as not being able to access the cell.The receptor difference between men and women may be an interesting hypothesis it has not as far as I have seen been accepted as fact.
 
Backache said:
If you read the linked publication it covers all ages including under 10's
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I did, very generic article, no breakdown by age and my initial post did say:

“This is potentially significant, although we do need more evidence.”

So I’ll still take it as a positive, you can feel free to ignore it.
 
hovis said:
that's if people peel them off. the amount of people I have seen arrive at the supermarket wearing gloves, do their shopping and then drive home wearing the same pair! omg
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I drive home with them on. But there again I've done plenty of Control of Infection lectures to know what I should be doing. Think about it...….... you come out of the supermarket, potentially, with 'dirty' hands. You peel the gloves off, and still have some 'dirt' on them because you still haven't washed your hands. You then transfer that 'dirt' onto the steering wheel/door handles/switches. Keep your gloves on to protect yourself. Also, for whatever reason, it makes you less likely to touch your face. When you get home, 'doff' your gear, clean the car, then get a bloody good wash.

Would you work with rough lumber without gloves? No. Just because you can't see the problem doesn't mean it isn't there.
 
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pauldj42 said:
They don’t have to, but it certainly helps limit the spread if they have it and don’t know they do.

Update:
PM just stated that SAGE believes face coverings will be useful for both epidemioligal reasons and giving people confidence when they go about their business.
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However gloves have been proven to be worse at spreading the virus than skin. People don't use them correctly. So it's more harmful in the main for people to use gloves than to just wash their hands when they get home

I personally use gloves , but carry hand gel in the car so soon as their off I clean my hands to limit the spread Further

Been a few doctors sharing videos about it
 
pauljames87 said:
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However gloves have been proven to be worse at spreading the virus than skin. People don't use them correctly. So it's more harmful in the main for people to use gloves than to just wash their hands when they get home

I personally use gloves , but carry hand gel in the car so soon as their off I clean my hands to limit the spread Further

Been a few doctors sharing videos about it
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If I have Covid-19 and I’m unaware I have it, but wear gloves and a face mask when I’m out then I am reducing the risk of me spreading it.

It’s not solely about catching it.(y)
 
Hobbit said:
I drive home with them on. But there again I've done plenty of Control of Infection lectures to know what I should be doing. Think about it...….... you come out of the supermarket, potentially, with 'dirty' hands. You peel the gloves off, and still have some 'dirt' on them because you still haven't washed your hands. You then transfer that 'dirt' onto the steering wheel/door handles/switches. Keep your gloves on to protect yourself. Also, for whatever reason, it makes you less likely to touch your face. When you get home, 'doff' your gear, clean the car, then get a bloody good wash.

Would you work with rough lumber without gloves? No. Just because you can't see the problem doesn't mean it isn't there.
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like you I've done many courses. gloves go on clean hands. if you take them off correctly you get zero contamination. however, during training they put uv dye on our gloves. the task was to remove them without transference. the first glove is easy. second not so much.

the secret is to double glove
 
hovis said:
like you I've done many courses. gloves go on clean hands. if you take them off correctly you get zero contamination. however, during training they put uv dye on our gloves. the task was to remove them without transference. the first glove is easy. second not so much.

the secret is to double glove
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Double gloving is about rips, tears and perforations. There is a process for taking off the double gloves but there is still a contamination issue, though reduced. 95% of the reason for double gloving isn't it gives you better protection from the virus in front of you, its about rips, tears and perforations.

Bit blunt but not meant to offend, I wouldn't tell you how to fight a fire. Seeing your post on gloves boils my pee. You're fireman with some knowledge of PPE but in this instance its only some knowledge. If someone says wear the PPE don't question it.
 
Backache said:
Having fewer receptors is not the same as not being able to access the cell.The receptor difference between men and women may be an interesting hypothesis it has not as far as I have seen been accepted as fact.
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Very true, my post did come across as fact and it indeed is a hypothesis.
With regard kids and the receptor maybe it's the initial cell loading which is reduced because there are less access point for the virus so the immune system has a chance to produce an antibody rather than the cytokine storm we see in some adults?
 
Hobbit said:
I drive home with them on. But there again I've done plenty of Control of Infection lectures to know what I should be doing. Think about it...….... you come out of the supermarket, potentially, with 'dirty' hands. You peel the gloves off, and still have some 'dirt' on them because you still haven't washed your hands. You then transfer that 'dirt' onto the steering wheel/door handles/switches. Keep your gloves on to protect yourself. Also, for whatever reason, it makes you less likely to touch your face. When you get home, 'doff' your gear, clean the car, then get a bloody good wash.

Would you work with rough lumber without gloves? No. Just because you can't see the problem doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Fine if your trained but for the untrained it could cause problems. Prefer the untrained to strip of at home and jump in the shower.
 
funkycoldmedina said:
Very true, my post did come across as fact and it indeed is a hypothesis.
With regard kids and the receptor maybe it's the initial cell loading which is reduced because there are less access point for the virus so the immune system has a chance to produce an antibody rather than the cytokine storm we see in some adults?
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Maybe, though viral shedding appears to be the same across all ages.
 
Hobbit said:
Double gloving is about rips, tears and perforations. There is a process for taking off the double gloves but there is still a contamination issue, though reduced. 95% of the reason for double gloving isn't it gives you better protection from the virus in front of you, its about rips, tears and perforations.

Bit blunt but not meant to offend, I wouldn't tell you how to fight a fire. Seeing your post on gloves boils my pee. You're fireman with some knowledge of PPE but in this instance its only some knowledge. If someone says wear the PPE don't question it.
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I'm one level bellow a paramedic. my primary reason for double gloving is so you can move from one patient to another with ease. it's also hugely effective at some what diluting\ allowing for error when de-gloving. if I'm removing gloves with covid on them it's nice to know i have a second chance when undressing. also, I'm delivering food to covid people so I'm fully aware of guidance regarding PPE and why it's in place
 
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