Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[road2ruin]

For the people that appear to be desperate for all restrictions to be removed in 7 days time - can someone list me what it is that it will allow them to do that they can’t now or is it more about personal freedom of just being allowed to do whatever they want

Someone at the club yesterday was ranting about the restrictions needing to end ASAP - his reason “sick of having to book a tee time”

Agree that the rant about booking a tee time is a nonsensical reason for restrictions to be lifted however there are entire industries that would be pretty desperate to reopen. It may not sound much but the 4 weeks delay is likely to cost the hospitality industry around £3bn, how many companies will survive that period?

 

[The Dog.]

Just possibly the US doesn’t have the Delta variant in the same quantities that we do.

I think what you are suggesting is dangerous and wrong. I hear what you say re NHS lists and this need to be tackled urgently, but they won’t be able to start if the hospitals fill up with Covid patients.

Intensive care beds are at 2% occupancy. The vulnerable are vaccinated.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Agree that the rant about booking a tee time is a nonsensical reason for restrictions to be lifted however there are entire industries that would be pretty desperate to reopen. It may not sound much but the 4 weeks delay is likely to cost the hospitality industry around £3bn, how many companies will survive that period?

How many are still getting furlough though ?

Hotels , pubs , restaurants are open now as well

I did hear the millionaire owner of 10 theatres complaining that he might have to sell a couple of his ten that he owns.

 

[The Dog.]

What an extremist load of old ?.

You're welcome to your opinion and it will be backed up by the voices in the echo chamber that this thread is. However, pretty much everyone I know feels the same way and the public reaction next Monday will be interesting to see too.

In 4 weeks time, something else will have cropped up to keep you shackled. Or at best, you'll be let out until September before the Autumn bugs start up and another lockdown is imposed.

 

[road2ruin]

How many are still getting furlough though ?

Hotels , pubs , restaurants are open now as well

I did hear the millionaire owner of 10 theatres complaining that he might have to sell a couple of his ten that he owns.

They are open but on reduced capacity, they operate on very small margins so many are still barely breaking even.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Sorry but what’s “nonsense” - it was a simple question

Some people appear to want the restrictions to end ASAP regardless of the situation and I just asked the question in regards what is it that they can’t do now because of restrictions that they really need to do or is it more about freedom

I just want to be able to take the flag out.

And some other less important things, like my kids getting back to normality at school.

Being able to go on a decent holiday, not having to clean every last surface before football with the kids, and worrying if the rest of my club are doing the same. Being able to go to a restaurant, the theatre, the cinema, the pub, the shops without restrictions and wearing stupid masks.
Not having to read and listen to people complaining about other people not wearing masks outside.
A full menu retuning to McDonalds.

Not having to hear "because covid" as an excuse for someone not doing something they should have or generally being incompetent at work.

People being able to return to work. People getting treatment for illness other than Covid.

I could go on.

For many people the current restrictions will not change anything. Happy days for those people. But don't assume everyone is the same.

 

[Ethan]

Does the ''good evidence'' tell us if long covid will affect the young and strong as much much as the old and frail?

The "good evidence" (quotation marks presumably a sign of disbelief) suggests that older unvaccinated are more likely to die or get long Covid, but with less of an age gradient, but the size of that vulnerable population is now small, so the number currently at risk is also small. The young are currently the risk group and few of them will die but other complications are a concern.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They are open but on reduced capacity, they operate on very small margins so many are still barely breaking even.

But they are still open and getting people through the doors

I just want to be able to take the flag out.

And some other less important things, like my kids getting back to normality at school.

Being able to go on a decent holiday, not having to clean every last surface before football with the kids, and worrying if the rest of my club are doing the same. Being able to go to a restaurant, the theatre, the cinema, the pub, the shops without restrictions and wearing stupid masks.
Not having to read and listen to people complaining about other people not wearing masks outside.
A full menu retuning to McDonalds.

Not having to hear "because covid" as an excuse for someone not doing something they should have or generally being incompetent at work.

People being able to return to work. People getting treatment for illness other than Covid.

I could go on.

For many people the current restrictions will not change anything. Happy days for those people. But don't assume everyone is the same.

So nothing that can’t wait for 4 weeks then

And as for masks - they will be around a lot longer

Holidays - all depends on the other country , how about holiday in the UK

 

[Kellfire]

Confirmed as a four week extension. Sensible.

 

[RichA]

You're welcome to your opinion and it will be backed up by the voices in the echo chamber that this thread is. However, pretty much everyone I know feels the same way and the public reaction next Monday will be interesting to see too.

In 4 weeks time, something else will have cropped up to keep you shackled. Or at best, you'll be let out until September before the Autumn bugs start up and another lockdown is imposed.

You're suggesting that people should fake exemption en masse to avoid the tyranny of being required to wear a face mask in the supermarket and on the train. What can that possibly achieve?
More British civilians have died of COVID in the last 12 months than were killed in WW2.
I believe that the government and its advisors have a better understanding of the damage that lockdown restrictions are doing to the economy than those in your own echo chamber.
I don't believe any reasonable person would think the endgame is some kind of dystopian control of the masses.

 

[road2ruin]

But they are still open and getting people through the doors

And in many cases still making a loss due to the SD restrictions.

Plus there are other industries that are either still being forced to close or it's just not worth them opening with the present restrictions in place.

Just because you are lucky enough to be in a position (which to be fair I'm in to) that an additional 4 weeks won't make a difference I think your attitude is pretty flippant to assume that everyone else will also be fine.

 

[bobmac]

The "good evidence" (quotation marks presumably a sign of disbelief) suggests that older unvaccinated are more likely to die or get long Covid, but with less of an age gradient, but the size of that vulnerable population is now small, so the number currently at risk is also small. The young are currently the risk group and few of them will die but other complications are a concern.

You presumed wrongly, it was a genuine question to which I didn't understand the answer.
It was a simple yes or no question.
If long covid wont affect the young and strong, then those being hospitalised with less severe symptoms than last year, shouldn't affect the decision to open up next week.

 

[The Dog.]

You're suggesting that people should fake exemption en masse to avoid the tyranny of being required to wear a face mask in the supermarket and on the train. What can that possibly achieve?
More British civilians have died of COVID in the last 12 months than were killed in WW2.
I believe that the government and its advisors have a better understanding of the damage that lockdown restrictions are doing to the economy than those in your own echo chamber.
I don't believe any reasonable person would think the endgame is some kind of dystopian control of the masses.

They have died with it, not of it.

Where you and I differ is when you say "I believe the government...." I don't. That doesn't mean I wear a tinfoil hat, it is purely that I think they are second rate people and have lied consistently for nearly two years.

Three weeks to flatten the curve anyone? March 2019.

 

[Ethan]

You presumed wrongly, it was a genuine question to which I didn't understand the answer.
It was a simple yes or no question.
If long covid wont affect the young and strong, then those being hospitalised with less severe symptoms than last year, shouldn't affect the decision to open up next week.

Long Covid certainly affects the young.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

But they are still open and getting people through the doors



So nothing that can’t wait for 4 weeks then

And as for masks - they will be around a lot longer

Holidays - all depends on the other country , how about holiday in the UK

How many times are we going to have to wait another 4 weeks?

There is nothing quite so permanent as a Government temporary measure!

We go on holiday in the UK every year, it's not the same as a decent holiday abroad.

My main concern is the health and well-being of the younger generations. My football club has lost a couple of teams due to losing players that didn't come back after lockdown. This is the same for a lot of our local team too.
And then there is the impact on the quality of education many children have received. Which appears to be having a greater impact on the less well off and more vulnerable children.

Graduates and apprentices are suffering from a lack of opportunity and training in the workplace.

But I suspect many of these issues are of little concern to many on here.

 

[Ethan]

They have died with it, not of it.

Where you and I differ is when you say "I believe the government...." I don't. That doesn't mean I wear a tinfoil hat, it is purely that I think they are second rate people and have lied consistently for nearly two years.

Three weeks to flatten the curve anyone? March 2019.

That is untrue. There have probably been deaths of people with Covid who didn't die from Covid, but not many. There have also been deaths of people from Covid which were not recorded as such.

I agree on the Govt, generally, but that doesn't mean Covid isn't real. I would argue we needed faster and firmer lockdown, and border closures, and if we had that, we'd be in a better place now.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

June 11...8,125 new cases ..... 17 deaths
June 12...7,738 new cases.......12 deaths
June 13...7,490 new cases.......8 deaths

Dam these daily increases.

Infections...the graph I saw showed that a levelling off of infections is what is being sought by an extension. And it is that that I don’t see how a continuation of current measures will provide, unless the hope is that increased level of vaccination across us all will just in itself level off the spread of the delta variant in particular.

But now that I am fully vaccinated surely reducing my likelihood of passing on the virus is but a secondary effect - a possible benefit in addition to protecting me from illness. But the vaccination doesn’t stop me picking up the virus and I can still pass it on.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But they are still open and getting people through the doors

Being open doesn't mean making a profit. Being open doesn't mean even breaking even. It doesn't pay back the loans they have had to take out to keep afloat. That is a really poor statement and unfeeling for those in those circumstances.

 

[RichA]

They have died with it, not of it.

Where you and I differ is when you say "I believe the government...." I don't. That doesn't mean I wear a tinfoil hat, it is purely that I think they are second rate people and have lied consistently for nearly two years.

Three weeks to flatten the curve anyone? March 2019.

Unfortunately, that's the skill set generally required to be a successful administrator.
Not many normal, rational, decent people would want to do it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I wonder why infections are rising.

And as a result I wonder what it is about continuing current measures that will result in a levelling off of the number daily infections i.e. reduce the infection rate to almost zero.

Numbers of infections are increasing daily...and if you don’t change something about the control measures in place then nothing will change about the rate of increase in the number of infections and so there is nothing to level off the daily new numbers. The logic around continuing the current measures for 4 weeks to reduce infections is completely escaping me - unless all our eggs are in the vaccination basket...somehow.