Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

pauldj42 said:
Except not Corbyn or Labour experts! You are the one that posted this rubbish mate, no one else, you made it quite clear what your thoughts were on who should or should not help boris and now you post the bit in bold!:rolleyes:

Enjoy your holiday and stay safe,
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But and this is my last post on the matter. I never posted the original post on this re a labour elect leaders thoughts on having a joint Cobra. I am of the ilk that's it's not broke ( at the moment ) so why fix it. Boris and the Tories seem to be doing a decent job in handling this crisis. So why muddy the waters.
Ditto stay safe all of you.
 
Tashyboy said:
But and this is my last post on the matter. I never posted the original post on this re a labour elect leaders thoughts on having a joint Cobra. I am of the ilk that's it's not broke ( at the moment ) so why fix it. Boris and the Tories seem to be doing a decent job in handling this crisis. So why muddy the waters.
Ditto stay safe all of you.
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Waiting until things break before you look for a fix has been found to be not a right good approach. Also you need to be aware of when you've got a big enough hole for yourself..... 'cos that's when you need to stop digging..... especially after multiple times. :unsure::unsure:
 
You's too need to get a room, this isn't a time to be arguing about politics.
Coronavirus doesn't care if you're Tories or Labour, or Black or white.
Boris is doing the best he can with advice from the best medical people in the country, im not his biggest fan but he seems to be doing alright in exceptional circumstances.
We need to try and stick together in what is going to be a rough few months.
 
Problem solving is quite strange. The success of solving a problem is purely based on the person leading. We as the public are not part of the process and should not interfere unless invited.
Boris has his strategy and we see two specialists, but I hope behind them are more specialists and a modesty to ask those who have a greater experience of Covid-19.
But if we are following a 6 sigma, several w’s approach we are disregarding some of our most powerful problem solving tools. There are people who view problems totally differently and I hope they are included.
Time will tell and I hope this brings us closer as a planet not mere factions that speak different languages or the same language with different accents.
 
Hobbit said:
Queues of traffic trying to leave Madrid today. Police are stopping all of them and asking for proof of primary address, of where they are going. Anyone not having that proof is being turned back AND fined €30,000.

Yes you read it right. €30,000.

Police locally have set up a number of road blocks today. Must have a valid reason for going out. Must be going to your nearest shop. Must have a receipt if you've been shopping - no loading up bags from your cupboard. €1,000 fine if you can't satisfy the local Police. And if your address isn't local, its €30,000.

Army are well in evidence too.
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Pretty similar here. Declared cases now up to 14 with 1 death
Gov is not hanging around now on containment
 
We are precisely tracking the picture in Italy 14 days ago. They had 233 deaths at that point as we do now.

They now have 4,825 dead!

If the measures we have taken haven't been followed or were inadequate we are about to get overwhelmed.

We may be too late to stop this first wave, but really, for the sake of your loved ones, everyone follow the government’s advice ?
 
Pathetic Shark said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ENS-shutting-Britain-REALLY-right-answer.html


You can always rely on Peter "Bonkers" Hitchens to come out with the most ridiculous, insane and frankly dangerous views of any "journalist". The man is a complete and utter lunatic.
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And yet a lot of the medical catastrophes that the experts warned us about simply didn't happen, as he points out. He may hold a different viewpoint but unlike some he has at least backed it up to some degree. You may not agree with him, but that does not make him a lunatic. From the article;

"The former editor of The Times, Sir Simon Jenkins, recently listed these unfulfilled scares: bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997. In 1999 it was Mad Cow Disease and its human variant, vCJD, which was predicted to kill half a million. Fewer than 200 in fact died from it in the UK.

The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported as having ‘a 25 per cent chance of killing tens of millions’ and being ‘worse than Aids’. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared ‘the first pandemic of the 21st Century’.

There were similar warnings in 2009, that swine flu could kill 65,000. It did not. The Council of Europe described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as ‘one of the great medical scandals of the century’. Well, we shall no doubt see.

But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic, I can witness on my daily round the slow strangulation of dozens of small businesses near where I live and work, and the catastrophic collapse of a flourishing society, all these things brought on by a Government policy made out of fear and speculation rather than thought."
 
Blue in Munich said:
And yet a lot of the medical catastrophes that the experts warned us about simply didn't happen, as he points out. He may hold a different viewpoint but unlike some he has at least backed it up to some degree. You may not agree with him, but that does not make him a lunatic. From the article;

"The former editor of The Times, Sir Simon Jenkins, recently listed these unfulfilled scares: bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997. In 1999 it was Mad Cow Disease and its human variant, vCJD, which was predicted to kill half a million. Fewer than 200 in fact died from it in the UK.

The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported as having ‘a 25 per cent chance of killing tens of millions’ and being ‘worse than Aids’. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared ‘the first pandemic of the 21st Century’.

There were similar warnings in 2009, that swine flu could kill 65,000. It did not. The Council of Europe described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as ‘one of the great medical scandals of the century’. Well, we shall no doubt see.

But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic, I can witness on my daily round the slow strangulation of dozens of small businesses near where I live and work, and the catastrophic collapse of a flourishing society, all these things brought on by a Government policy made out of fear and speculation rather than thought."
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If you wake up tomorrow and magically find you are the new Prime Minister, what would you do?
 
Blue in Munich said:
And yet a lot of the medical catastrophes that the experts warned us about simply didn't happen, as he points out. He may hold a different viewpoint but unlike some he has at least backed it up to some degree. You may not agree with him, but that does not make him a lunatic. From the article;

"The former editor of The Times, Sir Simon Jenkins, recently listed these unfulfilled scares: bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997. In 1999 it was Mad Cow Disease and its human variant, vCJD, which was predicted to kill half a million. Fewer than 200 in fact died from it in the UK.

The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported as having ‘a 25 per cent chance of killing tens of millions’ and being ‘worse than Aids’. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared ‘the first pandemic of the 21st Century’.

There were similar warnings in 2009, that swine flu could kill 65,000. It did not. The Council of Europe described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as ‘one of the great medical scandals of the century’. Well, we shall no doubt see.

But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic, I can witness on my daily round the slow strangulation of dozens of small businesses near where I live and work, and the catastrophic collapse of a flourishing society, all these things brought on by a Government policy made out of fear and speculation rather than thought."
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I can't bring myself to read the utter gash he spouts but if that's him backing him up his point then has so wide of the goal he's missed the corner flag. Sars, bird flu, mad cow disease (which isn't even a f%@#ing virus) were not championed by WHO. The viruses were credible threats but were in no way as easily transmitted as Covid-19 has already proved to be. And if the burk has done any research outside of his bubble there are already healthcare systems being overwhelmed by it as it has travelled around the world in under 3 months.
I'll give him his due, he knows his audience and he sticks to his playbook.
 
Blue in Munich said:
And yet a lot of the medical catastrophes that the experts warned us about simply didn't happen, as he points out. He may hold a different viewpoint but unlike some he has at least backed it up to some degree. You may not agree with him, but that does not make him a lunatic. From the article;

"The former editor of The Times, Sir Simon Jenkins, recently listed these unfulfilled scares: bird flu did not kill the predicted millions in 1997. In 1999 it was Mad Cow Disease and its human variant, vCJD, which was predicted to kill half a million. Fewer than 200 in fact died from it in the UK.

The first Sars outbreak of 2003 was reported as having ‘a 25 per cent chance of killing tens of millions’ and being ‘worse than Aids’. In 2006, another bout of bird flu was declared ‘the first pandemic of the 21st Century’.

There were similar warnings in 2009, that swine flu could kill 65,000. It did not. The Council of Europe described the hyping of the 2009 pandemic as ‘one of the great medical scandals of the century’. Well, we shall no doubt see.

But while I see very little evidence of a pandemic, and much more of a PanicDemic, I can witness on my daily round the slow strangulation of dozens of small businesses near where I live and work, and the catastrophic collapse of a flourishing society, all these things brought on by a Government policy made out of fear and speculation rather than thought."
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That quote sums it up to me, although it has been classified as a pandemic by people a lot more qualified than he is, it has not impacted him yet. He has not lost relatives, I'm alright Jack, he doesn't want to change his lifestyle so let's throw a bone to the conspiracy nuts. It's all about him and how dare the government interfere with his way of life, as it always is with his types.
 
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Pathetic Shark said:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...ENS-shutting-Britain-REALLY-right-answer.html


You can always rely on Peter "Bonkers" Hitchens to come out with the most ridiculous, insane and frankly dangerous views of any "journalist". The man is a complete and utter lunatic.
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Italy.

Italy, Italy, Italy.

If he wants evidence he needs to get off his ar5e and tour northern Italy. He needs to spend an hour in a tent hospital. He needs to do the rounds with the undertaker, picking up the bodies.

There was a piece on Sky News last night from a town in northern Italy. 76 dead in one day. 55 of those that died weren't added to the C19 numbers because they died at home - to be fair not all of them would have been C19, a few would have been 'natural causes.' Extrapolate that 55 around other towns and villages. Was every death in China subject to a PM? What are the true numbers?

A bit of seasonal flu? Aye, right.
 
BrianM said:
You's too need to get a room, this isn't a time to be arguing about politics.
Coronavirus doesn't care if you're Tories or Labour, or Black or white.
Boris is doing the best he can with advice from the best medical people in the country, im not his biggest fan but he seems to be doing alright in exceptional circumstances.
We need to try and stick together in what is going to be a rough few months.
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It’s two, not too if that’s aimed at me and tash! I made 2 posts (1 more than you) and both saying what you’ve put above, either read and move on or save the sanctimonious crap!
 
Day two of socially distancing is Mother’s Day. Not significant in the greater scheme of things, but it’s really difficult not to go and see my Mam (both her and the old fella fall into vulnerable category) today. Hopefully, the rest of the country can refrain too.

Some of this socially distancing isn’t too bad, bad all the worrying. We had a lovely family day yesterday, doing nothing in particular (probably helped by fact no sport on tv). Highlight was my seven year olds attempts to video call both sets of grandparents. Genuine comedy gold. 0% success rate up to now.
 
Me and Mrs SILH think we’ll cope fine with putting ourselves in quarantine or self isolating - the hardest thing will be not seeing our children. Our daughter lives only a few miles away but pops in a lot and is, and has been, fabulous caring support through the (quite a few) last few years of family and personal problems.

Our son up in Sheffield has a difficult life with his girlfriend and money, and we see him enough to reassure him of our continued love and commitment to supporting him. Yes FaceTime etc are there but the hug is so important - especially between father and son. I didn’t get much of that with my dad (typical of a Scottish dad born early 20s some might say) but in his later life we did share an occasional hug - and now that he’s gone the remembering of what I felt these few times makes sharing one with my lad so important.

Anyway. Needs must. #staysafekeepwell
 
Fromtherough said:
Day two of socially distancing is Mother’s Day. Not significant in the greater scheme of things, but it’s really difficult not to go and see my Mam (both her and the old fella fall into vulnerable category) today. Hopefully, the rest of the country can refrain too.

Some of this socially distancing isn’t too bad, bad all the worrying. We had a lovely family day yesterday, doing nothing in particular (probably helped by fact no sport on tv). Highlight was my seven year olds attempts to video call both sets of grandparents. Genuine comedy gold. 0% success rate up to now.
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I see visiting elderly parents as like going all in with a pair of Jacks on the second hand of the night. You may win, but the consequences of losing are not good so now is probably not the time.

I think society needs to understand the concept of risk a bit more. In that it is impact as well as probability.
 
Hacker Khan said:
I see visiting elderly parents as like going all in with a pair of Jacks on the second hand of the night. You may win, but the consequences of losing are not good so now is probably not the time.

I think society needs to understand the concept of risk a bit more. In that it is impact as well as probability.
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My wife is just back yesterday from seeing her elderly mum. She was just saying last night how distraught she’d be if her mum contracted cv in the next week or two. I tried to reassure her that if she herself had contracted the virus then she would most likely spot symptoms sooner than her mother - but of course we know that that is not actually true as not all become symptomatic - and in any case what would that matter...

keep your nearest and dearest safe by keeping away from them unless you have to be with them
 
Absolutely gobsmacked to see the pictures from Skegness and Snowdon yesterday! Described as worse than a Bank Holiday.

Unfortunately until we go in to complete lockdown I still think there’s too many thinking it won’t happen to them.

Some of it, maybe, comes from the mixed messages we see/hear in the media.
 
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