Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

funkycoldmedina said:
Maybe Italy is concentrated in a tighter geographical region though?
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You mean like London where the highest cases have been identified. 8 million or so in London, 10 million in the Lombardy region.

I know I keep repeating this but all these shutdowns aren't so much to control infections, they have been done, as we have been repeatedly told to try and help the NHS cope, they won't.
 
Papas1982 said:
I have no objection to us working together at all.

My point was simply that she completely went against their opening stance.

By all means say we have to work together. Then stop talking and her point is fine. But nope. She has to then drop a few digs.

Makes it look like her whole statement is a points scoring exercise. Why would the government want to work with her if all she's gonna do is try and take credit If it works or blame others if ideas don't...

That being said, sadly it's the sort of behavior I'd expect from lots of politicians. Irrespective of their party allegiance.
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I think some of her phraseology is questionable, and I don’t agree with every word but, like you, I’m definitely for looking at it with an open mind.

Unfortunately, some see one phrase in it and their shutters drop.
 
Hobbit said:
For those picking apart what Lisa Nandy said, I'm afraid I have to disagree. An awful lot of what she said needed saying. In terms of is she right or is she wrong, that depends on your politics. Coalition governments at times of national crisis have worked in the past, and there's no reason why they won't work now. Who's to say the 15th best MP in the Tory party is better than the 15th best MP in the Labour party, or the LibDems for that matter. Let's drop the political blinkers and look at what actually makes a difference.

Many local councils are Labour run, and run by councillors with many years experience, and there's very good LibDems and Independents in there. Forget party politics and look to who is best for the job.

Boris appears to be doing a decent job in very difficult circumstances, and the Chancellor too. But I've been mightily impressed with Kier Starmer(not my fav politician by any means), and Nandy has spoken well too. RLB is an idiot of the first water. Sturgeon has spoken with reason and care.

What would be wrong with bringing in people like that? And what would be wrong with a coalition govt if it means bringing in the best from all sides? It probably won't happen but I hope that behind the scenes government is recognising that there's good people on all sides and are open to working with them.
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Your comments are good and pertinent. What dissapoints me from her comments is that she talks about politicians working together and then starts political point scoring. I heard Emily Thornbury doing the same yesterday, it's time to stop party politics.
 
Imurg said:
They've been saying for some days that less than 20k deaths here would be a good result....
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Apparently 17k die every year of standard flu in the UK every year.

I’m not saying that makes the 20k you quoted less alarming,just shocked that Flu kills so many.
 
pokerjoke said:
I’m sure I heard on the news earlier 55 died in England today however 800 in Italy
If it gets anything like Italy over here it will be catastrophic
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There is no reason why it won't be the same over here, this country only started taking this seriously in the last couple of days, the curve is already there.
 
HappyHacker1 said:
8000 was my understanding.
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In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (UK study from 2013, which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09
 
I've seen a post on the village facebook page about volunteering for the local NHS trust. Was about to email but then thought - does it not contravene guidelines about social distancing etc. Uncertain times when questioning whether you should do good is actually good :cry:
 
2blue said:
She's wanting us to stand together as one so we can be strong & back each other up....... some of us at least know what that means & how to do it... think-on!! :unsure::unsure:
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I get that message, I totally do but unity on a coalition government with Corbyn.
A question I dont know the answer to. Whi h experts would Labour bring on that boris and the Tories wouldn't.
Another question, has any other country formed a coalition government.
 
2blue said:
In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (UK study from 2013, which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09
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Also deaths from flu, rightly or wrongly, have been taken into account and society has accepted them. Where as a new virus that is killing people and can be easily transmitted hasn't, and no government is going to say 'well you're OK with flu so you should be OK with this'. But I expect over time and once we have a vaccine this will more of a fact of life.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Also deaths from flu, rightly or wrongly, have been taken into account and society has accepted them. Where as a new virus that is killing people and can be easily transmitted hasn't, and no government is going to say 'well you're OK with flu so you should be OK with this'. But I expect over time and once we have a vaccine this will more of a fact of life.
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It's sounds brutal but a lot of the deaths we are seeing are people who would have died soon anyway. It's only further down the line we'll get an idea if how many deaths were solely attributable to corona virus.
 
Tashyboy said:
I get that message, I totally do but unity on a coalition government with Corbyn.
A question I dont know the answer to. Whi h experts would Labour bring on that boris and the Tories wouldn't.
Another question, has any other country formed a coalition government.
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Seriously mate, get past your prejudices!! The future health of all of us is at stake! All parties should be standing up and working together, let boris decide if he wants their help or not and which “experts” he may or may not want to use.

What’s the alternative? HoC back to like it was during the Brexit fiasco and the Country stumbling around!!

Party allegiances, past history, etc needs to be parked up and people have to come together!
 
pauldj42 said:
Seriously mate, get past your prejudices!! The future health of all of us is at stake! All parties should be standing up and working together, let boris decide if he wants their help or not and which “experts” he may or may not want to use.

What’s the alternative? HoC back to like it was during the Brexit fiasco and the Country stumbling around!!

Party allegiances, past history, etc needs to be parked up and people have to come together!
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If I can put up with Johnson and Co - and can even put up with the current wittering of Francois and Bridgen then anyone should be able to accept the gist of what a politician of another complexion is saying without looking to nit pick. That time will come again but it is not now.
 
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