Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

ColchesterFC said:
Interesting interview with Pascal Soriot, the CEO of AstraZenica supporting the 12 week interval we're using for the vaccinations. Lots of other interesting stuff in there as well if anyone wants a read.

"Given the fact that a lot of countries have high hopes on the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine but now there are supply problems, does it makes sense for EU countries to give a second thought to one-dose strategy that the UK is using?
“I think the UK one-dose strategy is absolutely the right way to go, at least for our vaccine. I cannot comment about the Pfizer vaccine, whose studies are for a three-week interval. In our case, the trial we're talking about was conducted by Oxford University. We AZ are conducting the US trial, which we think is going to be ready very soon. Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier. We are going to do a study in the US and globally to use two-month dose interval to confirm that this is indeed the case, there are many reasons to believe it is the case with our vaccine. We have a different technology. First of all, when you look at level of antibody production, this is higher if you give the second dose three months or two months later, than one month later."

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2...azeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/
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Soriot is a good salesman. He is making points to several audiences there. One of them is, subtly, an admission that the UK and Brazil trials reported so far were a bit of a dog's dinner but they weren't done by AZ. Few people who have read the paper will disagree. They looked a lot like academic trials. The US trial, done by AZ will be done properly. That is likely also true.

The assertion that 100% of severe disease and hospitalisations will be stopped by one dose is a big claim. Claiming 100% for anything is usually unwise. I hope he is right. He is wise not to comment on Pfizer's data, but he knows, as most of us do, that the time course of immunity is not different between the different vaccines and the same rules apply to all of them.
 
I’m reading people’s experiences and really starting to feel guilty.
Since returning from 7 months on furlough I have been spending 2 days a week in the office and 3 days a week driving, delivering vehicles nationwide.
Just today I took a car I had overnight back to it’s base in Coventry, picked up another and delivered to Chelmsford, train to Stratford International, Jubilee line to Waterloo, train to Brentford, car from Brentford to Wycombe , train back home to Aylesbury.

I’m getting out and about, ok we take appropriate COVID precautions, but I interact with different people each day. I’m using taxis, trains busses and the tube regularly, but I’m happy to do this as I have confidence in our procedures. I don’t feel that I am playing Russian Roulette with the virus.

My mental health is good, financially good
Ok can’t play golf and can’t go out for a meal, but we are doing really well considering we are in the middle of a global pandemic.

Not sure if my work is essential or not, but our clients keep giving us work, so.....

But I know that little Bro just a couple of miles away is slowly going mad looking at the same 4 walls each day

I’m lucky, extremely lucky to be in this position, but also very conscious that there are many many people really struggling.
 
Two of our friends, a married couple, got a track and trace notification and have both tested positive.
They've been really careful and the only time the went out was to pick up a few items that were missing from their supermarket deliver, so must have picked it up there.

Scary.
 
SocketRocket said:
You don't seem to understand how bad it could be. There was always going to be a second spike in the winter and you can't start blaming the government for people not following rules to protect us.

If we had been put into a really strict lockdown in September I expect you would have been unhappy about that as well.
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There was no chance of a September lockdown after we’d been encouraged to go out and eat out in July/August. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
SocketRocket said:
A second spike was always on the cards, winter and a relaxation of lockdown was always going to make that happen, it happens every winter with the Flu.

You are suggesting the problem was with the way Covid was being managed but how would you manage it?
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I certainly would of had a second lockdown sooner, and I certainly would not of said to the country you have a four day pass, reduced to one day. Bearing in mind it Was already known the Uk variant was knocking about, was more infectious and more deadly. No one is going to even scratch the surface in convincing me that the response to Covid in this country has been well managed. I can think of 100,000 reasons why?
 
pauldj42 said:
There was no chance of a September lockdown after we’d been encouraged to go out and eat out in July/August. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Yep, eat out to help out was a disastrous policy which has only hurt hospitality venues even more in the long run, and added many cases to the total count.
 
Ethan said:
Yep, eat out to help out was a disastrous policy which has only hurt hospitality venues even more in the long run, and added many cases to the total count.
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I disagree a little with this, when I went to the pub for some food felt a lot safer then when I was in a supermarket. Supermarket very little social distancing still at ones I've been too.
Pub set up in defined areas. Table services, one use menus etc
 
road2ruin said:
Pubs, bars and restaurants play (or st least played) a pretty large roll in my life meeting friends regularly. I already accept that I’m not going to be able to go back to that ‘normal’ and understand why. The next best therefore is to be able to meet them indoors. As GB says, it’s not a mass event, 6 or so having a takeaway with drinks and a chance to speak to someone who isn’t my wife or 6 year old (as much as I love them).

It will come down to our own personal levels of risk in terms of us catching it but given we’re not getting the vaccine any time soon it something I’m prepared to risk. In theory we’re not spreading to those more vulnerable as they will have been protected by the vaccine themselves.
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"6 or so having a takeaway" etc? indoors.? Where the hell do you think it would go from there, if one of you is positive, just on one occasion ?
( Cos you wouldn't do it only once, would you?)
You, and those that want to behave like that in the near future are going to spread this Covid as bad if not worse than now.
For Gawds sake, have none of those images from hospitals and deaths meant anything to you?
Because you want a chat round a meal?. Jeez!
 
Swinglowandslow said:
"6 or so having a takeaway" etc? indoors.? Where the hell do you think it would go from there, if one of you is positive, just on one occasion ?
( Cos you wouldn't do it only once, would you?)
You, and those that want to behave like that in the near future are going to spread this Covid as bad if not worse than now.
For Gawds sake, have none of those images from hospitals and deaths meant anything to you?
Because you want a chat round a meal?. Jeez!
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Maybe just take a step back and understand that there are millions in the UK who will catch Covid and be fine , just like many other viruses , at some stage in the future we have to move on , we can’t be locked away for ever - life needs to return for many people who are suffering right now from being locked away - there are millions making the sacrifice but at some stage that will stop and people will mix , the virus will be around for years just like the flu but it will be managed.

Do you stop seeing people when people die from the flu or indeed any other illnesses?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you stop seeing people when people die from the flu or indeed any other illnesses?
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Indeed.
People have been dying of contagious diseases for thousands of years and will carry on doing so after we're all gone. Where did they catch them all from? Fludiviots?
I can't believe we've been allowed out of the house all these years. Irresponsible, heartless barstuards. Let it never happen again...
 
Swinglowandslow said:
"6 or so having a takeaway" etc? indoors.? Where the hell do you think it would go from there, if one of you is positive, just on one occasion ?
( Cos you wouldn't do it only once, would you?)
You, and those that want to behave like that in the near future are going to spread this Covid as bad if not worse than now.
For Gawds sake, have none of those images from hospitals and deaths meant anything to you?
Because you want a chat round a meal?. Jeez!
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So what do you expect, until i get the vaccine towards the end of the year that I should not see people? Get a grip. The whole point was to protect the vulnerable and the NHS. Once the vaccinations are done then that is it. I have not said we need to open up in the next week. I have said months but once they are protected I don’t see why we can’t unless you want us hiding inside for the rest of the year?
 
pendodave said:
Indeed.
People have been dying of contagious diseases for thousands of years and will carry on doing so after we're all gone. Where did they catch them all from? Fludiviots?
I can't believe we've been allowed out of the house all these years. Irresponsible, heartless barstuards. Let it never happen again...
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Fluvidiots :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

I think we need a new word of the day thread haha
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Maybe just take a step back and understand that there are millions in the UK who will catch Covid and be fine , just like many other viruses , at some stage in the future we have to move on , we can’t be locked away for ever - life needs to return for many people who are suffering right now from being locked away - there are millions making the sacrifice but at some stage that will stop and people will mix , the virus will be around for years just like the flu but it will be managed.

Do you stop seeing people when people die from the flu or indeed any other illnesses?
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Millions who will catch it and be fine? Sure they will, and there will therefore be millions who will likely pass it on to those that won't be fine.
They'll be buggered up for life or dead.
As is happening now, if you hadn't noticed.


I'm talking about the situation as it is now. The hospitals are overwhelmed
( as per the news and Homers reports) .
I'm not talking about when the R rate is low and most aged and vulnerable are vaccinated. Of course it will be around like the flu, and because of vaccination and very low rates, life will be like it is re flu instances.
But people are talking about now, or very soon. That they are suffering mentally to a point that risking hospitalisation and death on others is acceptable because they want to sit and chat with others and risk a spread of it now.
There are some on here who have and are suffering a lot more than worrying about physically seeing friends for a chat or meal. I feel for them a darn sight more than missing friends.
It's not as though they aren't in touch , technology now gives that opportunity.
Course it's not the same, but it's better than nothing.
 
road2ruin said:
So what do you expect, until i get the vaccine towards the end of the year that I should not see people? Get a grip. The whole point was to protect the vulnerable and the NHS. Once the vaccinations are done then that is it. I have not said we need to open up in the next week. I have said months but once they are protected I don’t see why we can’t unless you want us hiding inside for the rest of the year?
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You've moved the goalposts. You were supporting those writing about how they are considering now going against the guidance they have been keeping to, because , in so many words,they are coming to the end of their tether at not being able to meet other than their household socially.

Once the vaccinations are done that is it, you say. OF course, that is the whole purpose of the vaccinations. When they are done , for the aged and vulnerable, we will start to get back to normal, and rightly.
But you weren't talking about that scenario earlier
 
pendodave said:
Indeed.
People have been dying of contagious diseases for thousands of years and will carry on doing so after we're all gone. Where did they catch them all from? Fludiviots?
I can't believe we've been allowed out of the house all these years. Irresponsible, heartless barstuards. Let it never happen again...
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No problem then?
 
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