Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[road2ruin]

Today folks have taken to Twatter to say why should their school open if Eton/ Harrow is shut.. interesting thought

Isn’t that exactly the same thing that happened in June when schools reopened for some years? A certain element of the population got their knickers in a twist about their children being guinea pigs whilst the rich kept their children at home......and absolutely nothing happened.

 

[road2ruin]

Anyone can refuse to go to work, well not exactly everyone but most of us. That's fine but you can't expect to be paid if you stay away.

That’s what the unions are telling teachers to do, on full pay.

 

[User62651]

Unconfirmed but Scotsman paper reporting Sturgeon will tomorrow extend shutting schools to end January.
It is very difficult right now - as parents we want them in school but also not spreading virus to us/others. Impacts financially, mentally and all the rest. Enjoying a great spell of cold sunny weather just now so getting out but the January mucky weather never far away which is doubly depressing when cooped up. ?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

That’s what the unions are telling teachers to do, on full pay.

That's because it's part of section 44 of the employment rights act

https://section44.co.uk/

 

[Lord Tyrion]

That's because it's part of section 44 of the employment rights act

https://section44.co.uk/

I guess the question comes down to the risk assessment and whether the workplace is deemed acceptably safe still.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I guess the question comes down to the risk assessment and whether the workplace is deemed acceptably safe still.

Yes you have to know your actually in the right .. and can prove it

Not just throw it about

 

[4LEX]

Can someone explain this to me....

In November cases were lower without the mutation and it was a one month lockdown despite NHS capacity being OK.

In January theres an extra 15-20,000 cases a day with the certain Christmas fall out yet to hit, the NHS already being overwhelmed and no lockdown?

Boris tells us he's following the science yet SAGE advised against schools reopening.

I saw him this morning on Andrew Marr and he's an embarrassment to himself, his party and this country. Schools are totally safe today yet there will be stricter measures needed in the days ahead? It makes no sense at all.

He talks about mental health of kids yet ignores that's largely down to the parents. If the parents are anxious, scared and worried it'll impact the kids.

The country doesn't expect perfection in this type of crisis, we expect strong and decisive leadership that doesn't make U-Turns on a weekly basis. We expect someone to learn from their mistakes, not to make them twice or thrice. He's made so many mistakes it's frightening and the ones he's making now will be the ones that'll cost the most lives. Weak leadership equals lack of confidence, respect and compliance. He's entirely to blame.

I know Boris personally through family/work connections years ago and he's a nice guy and highly intelligent. But in an absurd way. He could recite anything in Latin backwards but has no intelligence you'd class as useful. He's never had a proper job and he's a fraud. I hope in the years to come when the real truth emerges he finds himself in the dock for his woeful handling of this crisis.

Germany has a larger population and 30% less cases and even less deaths. Questions need to be asked why

 

[Fade and Die]

Can someone explain this to me....

In November cases were lower without the mutation and it was a one month lockdown despite NHS capacity being OK.

In January theres an extra 15-20,000 cases a day with the certain Christmas fall out yet to hit, the NHS already being overwhelmed and no lockdown?

Boris tells us he's following the science yet SAGE advised against schools reopening.

I saw him this morning on Andrew Marr and he's an embarrassment to himself, his party and this country. Schools are totally safe today yet there will be stricter measures needed in the days ahead? It makes no sense at all.

He talks about mental health of kids yet ignores that's largely down to the parents. If the parents are anxious, scared and worried it'll impact the kids.

The country doesn't expect perfection in this type of crisis, we expect strong and decisive leadership that doesn't make U-Turns on a weekly basis. We expect someone to learn from their mistakes, not to make them twice or thrice. He's made so many mistakes it's frightening and the ones he's making now will be the ones that'll cost the most lives. Weak leadership equals lack of confidence, respect and compliance. He's entirely to blame.

I know Boris personally through family/work connections years ago and he's a nice guy and highly intelligent. But in an absurd way. He could recite anything in Latin backwards but has no intelligence you'd class as useful. He's never had a proper job and he's a fraud. I hope in the years to come when the real truth emerges he finds himself in the dock for his woeful handling of this crisis.

Germany has a larger population and 30% less cases and even less deaths. Questions need to be asked why

This post will probably get removed but it is 100% correct....And I’m a member of the Conservative party.

 

[4LEX]

This post will probably get removed but it is 100% correct....And I’m a member of the Conservative party.

I am too. But right and wrong comes over politcal parties

 

[Ethan]

Can someone explain this to me....

In November cases were lower without the mutation and it was a one month lockdown despite NHS capacity being OK.

In January theres an extra 15-20,000 cases a day with the certain Christmas fall out yet to hit, the NHS already being overwhelmed and no lockdown?

Boris tells us he's following the science yet SAGE advised against schools reopening.

I saw him this morning on Andrew Marr and he's an embarrassment to himself, his party and this country. Schools are totally safe today yet there will be stricter measures needed in the days ahead? It makes no sense at all.

He talks about mental health of kids yet ignores that's largely down to the parents. If the parents are anxious, scared and worried it'll impact the kids.

The country doesn't expect perfection in this type of crisis, we expect strong and decisive leadership that doesn't make U-Turns on a weekly basis. We expect someone to learn from their mistakes, not to make them twice or thrice. He's made so many mistakes it's frightening and the ones he's making now will be the ones that'll cost the most lives. Weak leadership equals lack of confidence, respect and compliance. He's entirely to blame.

I know Boris personally through family/work connections years ago and he's a nice guy and highly intelligent. But in an absurd way. He could recite anything in Latin backwards but has no intelligence you'd class as useful. He's never had a proper job and he's a fraud. I hope in the years to come when the real truth emerges he finds himself in the dock for his woeful handling of this crisis.

Germany has a larger population and 30% less cases and even less deaths. Questions need to be asked why

In my opinion, applying restrictions is "off-brand" for his pseudo-libertarian mindset. He prefers giving away stuff, making grand(iose) announcements and waffling about ancient Greeks and Churchill. He has used scientific advice when its suited him, and counselled different advice knowing what it would be, for example a couple of known skeptic scientists about Christmas lockdown.

But cases and deaths are real and can't be waffled away with grand words, so inevitably he is dragged, too late, to action.

Schools are a key issue. He knows that if people see schools open, they perceive life to be on the side of the equation marked 'relatively normal'. If schools are shut, it is on the 'under attack' side. He really doesn't like the latter, and knows if schools have to close, public sentiment will turn bad in the places he wants them on board. Many of us will be somewhat relived, though.

I have never met him, but am not sure that Johnson is all that intelligent. Highly educated, certainly. I have met plenty of his type, and such people can maintain a plausible appearance of intelligence with lots of techniques to cope with debate and discussion, but if you tunnel deeper, it crumbles.

Germany had better basic infrastructure and Merkel is clear, decisive and bold in her actions. The people tend to better listen to advice and instruction given in those terms.

 

[Old Skier]

I am too. But right and wrong comes over politcal parties

Unfortunately, due to the rules it can’t be responded to.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm left feeling very let down and disappointed with our NHS today after the roll out of the Oxford/Astra Zenica vaccine.

Just a few weeks ago we had the massive fan fare of the Pfizer vaccine and William Shakespeare getting one of the first doses.

Was it too much to ask for Oxford/AZ to rise to the challenge. I was hoping for a Winston Churchill, a William Wordsworth or a John Constable. But no such luck. Today we got bleeding Brian Pinker. Very, very disappointing.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

In my opinion, applying restrictions is "off-brand" for his pseudo-libertarian mindset. He prefers giving away stuff, making grand(iose) announcements and waffling about ancient Greeks and Churchill. He has used scientific advice when its suited him, and counselled different advice knowing what it would be, for example a couple of known skeptic scientists abut Christmas lockdown.

But cases and deaths are real and can't be waffled away with brand words, so inevitably he is dragged, too late, to action.

Schols are a key issue. He knows that if people see schools open, they perceive life to be on the side of the equation marked 'relatively normal'. If schools are shut, it is on the 'under attack' side. He really doesn't like the latter, and knows if schools have to close, public sentiment will turn bad in the places he wants them on board. Many of us will be somewhat relived, though.

I have never met him, but am not sure that Johnson is all that intelligent. Highly educated, certainly. I have met plenty of his type, and such people can maintain a plausible appearance of intelligence with lots of techniques to cope with debate and discussion, but if you tunnel deeper, it crumbles.

Germany had better basic infrastructure and Merkel is clear, decisive and bold in her actions. The people tend to better listen to advice and instruction given in those terms.

Well, taking the chance to expand from your expertise, even though it is against the rules.
Your post here is an out and out attack on Boris. Nothing less.
When you post on things medical, pandemic in particular, then it is clear
you are an expert , but throughout you are clearly itching to disparage this government , I suspect because they are Tory and you are not.
I think you display some arrogance when you go on to decide who is intelligent and who is not. It isn't enough for you to just disagree with his policies and decisions.
I wonder what you ( any of us ?) would be like in the "hot seat".
Theodore Roosevelt said it right.

 

[Ethan]

Well, taking the chance to expand from your expertise, even though it is against the rules.
Your post here is an out and out attack on Boris. Nothing less.
When you post on things medical, pandemic in particular, then it is clear
you are an expert , but throughout you are clearly itching to disparage this government , I suspect because they are Tory and you are not.
I think you display some arrogance when you go on to decide who is intelligent and who is not. It isn't enough for you to just disagree with his policies and decisions.
I wonder what you ( any of us ?) would be like in the "hot seat".
Theodore Roosevelt said it right.

Whatever. Intelligence produces intelligent decisions. We haven't seen much of those. Some of the decisions have been patently stupid and reckless, others more a matter of opinion. You are fine with someone saying he is intelligent, but not with someone saying he is not. That is hypocrisy. I am not a Tory but there are plenty of decent Tories. The PM is not one of them.

As for the snarky 'Could you do better' traditional excuse of those who defend the indefensible, the execution of policy is done by civil servants and Govt bodies,. Policy needs to be developed by Ministers and proposals are brought to them to execute. The basic principles of the public health response (and I was a public health doctor) are simple enough, the execution is of course more cimplex, but these basic principles, testing, gathering as much data as possible, scale up from the ground using local resources already in place, were all ignored. The opposite was done in some cases. Tracing was stopped, testing was handed to an expensive and incompetent private company. Locking down airports and enforcing quarantine. Accept the offer to join EU procurement. All that stuff would have made a massive difference.

I did not want Johnson to screw this up, because it is my friends and family who pay the price, but he did.

 

[drdel]

Whatever. Intelligence produces intelligent decisions. We haven't seen much of those. Some of the decisions have been patently stupid and reckless, others more a matter of opinion. You are fine with someone saying he is intelligent, but not with someone saying he is not. That is hypocrisy. I am not a Tory but there are plenty of decent Tories. The PM is not one of them.

Blatant politics. Ģermany has a different basis of recording.

 

[Ethan]

Blatant politics. Ģermany has a different basis of recording.

Which makes no difference. They have indisputably had a much much better pandemic than the UK.

 

[bobmac]

I'm left feeling very let down and disappointed with our NHS today after the roll out of the Oxford/Astra Zenica vaccine.

Just a few weeks ago we had the massive fan fare of the Pfizer vaccine and William Shakespeare getting one of the first doses.

Was it too much to ask for Oxford/AZ to rise to the challenge. I was hoping for a Winston Churchill, a William Wordsworth or a John Constable. But no such luck. Today we got bleeding Brian Pinker. Very, very disappointing.

Maybe its a pseudonym, remember Marion Morrison or David Jones?

 

[Ethan]

Well, taking the chance to expand from your expertise, even though it is against the rules.
Your post here is an out and out attack on Boris. Nothing less.
When you post on things medical, pandemic in particular, then it is clear
you are an expert , but throughout you are clearly itching to disparage this government , I suspect because they are Tory and you are not.
I think you display some arrogance when you go on to decide who is intelligent and who is not. It isn't enough for you to just disagree with his policies and decisions.
I wonder what you ( any of us ?) would be like in the "hot seat".
Theodore Roosevelt said it right.

I note you didn't have a go at the post which kicked this temporary diversion off. Typical.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I am afraid I was not filled with a great deal of confidence this morning when listening to the Health Secretary being interviewed on Today.

In fact what I heard worried me that the roll-out of the Oxford/AZ vaccine might not go as 'hoped' for - and that the PM's setting our expectations yesterday of things being (well on the way to being) sorted by Easter are perhaps less than well-founded...

Meanwhile I am wondering what has happened to the recruitment over the last four months of all the additional teachers and teaching assistants and building and acquisition of temporary accommodation that would now be able to provide 'physical' teaching in a safe way - and to provide close support to on-line remote teaching. Maybe it's there - but there are clearly very significant concerns.

Likewise I am not hearing that there has been significant recruitment of nurses over the last four months to support opening of the Nightingale hospitals if they are needed in the coming weeks and months - and we hear that resourcing issues may well restrict the degree to which the Nightingale's can be reopened.

We have known for many months that there was a risk that was has happened would happened - in fact we have known about the risk of a very significant second wave since the outset, yet it appears we are unprepared and scrabbling to get on top of things. We appear to have put all out eggs in the vaccine basket - and hence why I am worried about what I have heard these last two days.

Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you? It is currently making me very worried that we are going to be living in a very restricted world well into the summer...if not for longer.

 

[Ethan]

I am afraid I was not filled with a great deal of confidence this morning when listening to the Health Secretary being interviewed on Today.

In fact what I heard worried me that the roll-out of the Oxford/AZ vaccine might not go as 'hoped' for - and that the PM's setting our expectations yesterday of things being (well on the way to being) sorted by Easter are perhaps less than well-founded...

Meanwhile I am wondering what has happened to the recruitment over the last four months of all the additional teachers and teaching assistants and building and acquisition of temporary accommodation that would now be able to provide 'physical' teaching in a safe way - and to provide close support to on-line remote teaching. Maybe it's there - but there are clearly very significant concerns.

Likewise I am not hearing that there has been significant recruitment of nurses over the last four months to support opening of the Nightingale hospitals if they are needed in the coming weeks and months - and we hear that resourcing issues may well restrict the degree to which the Nightingale's can be reopened.

We have known for many months that there was a risk that was has happened would happened - in fact we have known about the risk of a very significant second wave since the outset, yet it appears we are unprepared and scrabbling to get on top of things. We appear to have put all out eggs in the vaccine basket - and hence why I am worried about what I have heard these last two days.

Did he explain how the administration of first vaccs will be affected when, in 12 weeks, the floods of second shot people also need appointments?

The vaccine basket is a critical one, but the process of picking up volunteers to assist (like me and many retired doctors) has been appallingly slow and unresponsive.