Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[DanFST]

Don't understand why the police would set dogs on people. Truly barbaric.

"We have many hours of body-worn video footage of the violence, threats and intimidation used towards police officers. There were missiles thrown, bottles, punches, kicks, fireworks fired at officers. All sorts of really significant violence"

Truly barbaric, attacking people doing their job. When you know you are breaking the law.

 

[clubchamp98]

You’re more than welcome to come and stand alongside some of my colleagues in a city centre pub fight, when they’re getting the 💩 kicked out of them, the nearest back-up is miles away, and the “opposition” is drunk, drugged up, tooled up and doesn’t give a toss about the lenient sentence that they’re likely to receive in the event they’re ever convicted at Court.

What would you have the police do? Take a battering, which in itself is barbaric, or deploy a non-lethal tactic like a police dog?

Tell you what. You sit in your ivory tower and be all self-righteous, whilst my friends and colleagues get put in hospital, or worse, on your behalf.

Priceless.

I think we need to rethink the law a bit.
Anyone committing a criminal act should have their rights suspended until they stop that criminal act.
Far to many people think they can just do what they want.

 

[DanFST]

I think we need to rethink the law a bit.
Anyone committing a criminal act should have their rights suspended until they stop that criminal act.
Far to many people think they can just do what they want.

Worked with moped crime. My favourite is the guy that gets knocked off then raises his arm like the police were in the wrong.

 

[Billysboots]

No idea the answer but it seems fairly indiscriminate to release animals into a crowd knowing they'll maim people.

They don’t release them indiscriminately into crowds. If you don’t actually understand police tactics, best not to try and pass judgement.

 

[robinthehood]

They don’t release them indiscriminately into crowds. If you don’t actually understand police tactics, best not to try and pass judgement.

If the police actions were not in keeping with specified guidelines or unlawful then an investigation is correct.

 

[Billysboots]

If the police actions were not in keeping with specified guidelines or unlawful then an investigation is correct.

I could not agree more.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Oh, come on!

I’m sure I’m not alone here when I say the vast majority of people I know and socialise with are intelligent people. And, of those, the ones who “don’t understand” the rules simply choose not to understand them because it suits their cause. They can then either moan about how confusing things are, or simply carry on doing just what they want.

With some limited exceptions the rules have been pretty clear. That is, to people who actually made the effort to understand them.

It's obvious my rhetorical tone was missed.....
We've had ministers and political advisers doing as they please, and now a lockdown that isn't a lock down for a virus that's obviously going to be kind to us and give us a 5 day amnesty over christmas.
What else do we expect

 

[Blue in Munich]

Don't understand why the police would set dogs on people. Truly barbaric.

They don’t release them indiscriminately into crowds. If you don’t actually understand police tactics, best not to try and pass judgement.

Never seen a police dog set indiscriminately into a crowd. Only time I've ever seen dogs released from the lead was to chase a fleeing suspect.

Given the bond between a handler and their dog, the last thing they would do is set one into a crowd.

And the animals are trained to act as necessary; if you are chased & stand still, the dog is trained to just circle you and bark.

I'd be extremely keen to know how a dog broke a bone in her foot through those boots; in fact why would you wear boots like that to a party...

 

[Old Skier]

Some people on here are lucky the don’t live on main land Europe where you will get the crap kicked out of you, tear gassed, smacked with a baton and have rubber bullets fired at you. Our police force are pussy cats compared to French/Spanish/German and Italian police not forgetting the good old water cannon.

 

[Old Skier]

Which people?

Those that think the police in the UK use unnecessary force, not you obviously as your on your normal wind up to liven up the forum.

 

[Hobbit]

Some people on here are lucky the don’t live on main land Europe where you will get the crap kicked out of you, tear gassed, smacked with a baton and have rubber bullets fired at you. Our police force are pussy cats compared to French/Spanish/German and Italian police not forgetting the good old water cannon.

Here in Spain, all you have to do is behave appropriately. Even if you are issued with a fine you just accept the pink slip. You're fully entitled to contest the fine, just not on the street with the issuing officer.

Riots still occur, and there has been lockdown riots, but someone deciding to protest knows exactly what might happen. Once the order to disperse is issued, the next step is the baton. People have a choice.

 

[Old Skier]

Hardly. It's possible that people have different views than yourself, you know.

Appreciate that, I presume you accept that if your breaking the law and involved in actions that may injure those carrying out their duty you may get injured yourself.

 

[robinthehood]

Appreciate that, I presume you accept that if your breaking the law and involved in actions that may injure those carrying out their duty you may get injured yourself.

It Doesn't give the authorities an excuse the do as they please.

 

[Blue in Munich]

It Doesn't give the authorities an excuse the do as they please.

Do you have any evidence that the authorities did as they please?

 

[Billysboots]

It Doesn't give the authorities an excuse the do as they please.

Do as they please? Really?

Have you the first clue the scrutiny the police are under these days? Mobile phone cameras recording your every move, trial by social media (with, I might add, zero right of reply), the never ending bashing from virtually every media outlet, which Joe Public seems to lap up as accurate when most of it is claptrap, not to mention the IOPC chomping at the bit to flex their (anything but independent) muscle.

If you honesty think the police can just do as they please I really must ask which planet you are on, because it quite clearly isn’t Earth?

🙄

 

[Traminator]

I just hope the dog didn't catch anything and is fit to do it again on one of those lowlifes.

 

[Billysboots]

I am supportive but just struggle with the notion of setting dogs on people.

And I struggle with the use of terminology like that. Not least because it’s not how it works.

 

[Billysboots]

Of course. Where I dissent from the forum consensus is the notion that you lose all human rights the instant the authorities deem you have committed an offence of any sort or that injury to an alleged offender is something to celebrate.

I’m not celebrating this incident. But I most certainly won’t lose any sleep over it, either.

 

[robinthehood]

Do you have any evidence that the authorities did as they please?

Yes I can easily find multiple instances of the police abusing thier powers.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I think we need to rethink the law a bit.
Anyone committing a criminal act should have their rights suspended until they stop that criminal act.
Far to many people think they can just do what they want.

I agree with this. We should bring back the term "outlaw". Once you step outside of the law you are no longer given the protection of those laws.

If you fall through the roof of a warehouse while trying to break into it, never mind, that's your own fault, and no you can't sue for damages.

If you get shot/stabbed/battered with a golf club while breaking in to someone's house, never mind, that's your own fault, and no you can't sue for damages.