Ethan
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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?
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Robster59
Tour Rookie
Have now had another call from Stepson. He had a look at his partners result and decided it looked ambiguous, so have been doing daily tests since then. No signs of Covid.
Line very very faint and feel ok, going to be trying to run an offshore wind farm from home, wish me luck ?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Play them some Black Sabbath - I heard they're big metal fans...
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
If EE can land a plane from a house.....what can possibly go wrong
drdel
Tour Rookie
Phone will need charging...
PNWokingham
Journeyman Pro
Maybe hazard a guess I am sure you can work it out
Swango1980
Well-known member
Dr Hilary Jones was asked the question today, his response:
"The dominant strain is now Omicron, not Delta, which is a less severe virus and less virulent. It's causing less admissions to hospitals, less cases, and less deaths, Actually, we can't afford to lose that number of people from the NHS, we already had a workforce that was under-sourced and understaffed before the pandemic, we can't make it worse now"
He also said
"Things have changed. And I agree. Along with the Royal College of Nursing, and all the people the government have spoken to about this, and think we can do this safely"
He has often been very vocal against easing of restrictions, when asked "So you weren't wrong before? The facts have changed?" he responded "Yes, absolutely. The facts have changed".
Anyway, I thought it would be easier to copy his words, rather than my own as a non-expert. I've also not heard too much about it in the media, with WW3 seemingly about to kick off.
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Testing negative again this morning but still full of all the symptoms and right now having shortness of breath because of my asthma if I do too much
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
But surely that's risky, if not verging on madness and disregard. There will be vulnerable and elderly who have been successfully shielded from the virus throughout the pandemic but who now need to go into care...and the door will be wide open for the virus to walk through.
Surely we can't just be saying to these individuals - Well you just have to learn to live with the virus - when in fact it might well kill them or hasten their death. Surely we can't really be accepting that risk and I just don't get why.
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Swango1980
Well-known member
I assume you are choosing to ignore my comment then?
drdel
Tour Rookie
That is the reality. We now have to manage and mitigate the risks with the protocols that have been developed.
Down to the real world of sustainable Costs and Benefits.
Down to the real world of sustainable Costs and Benefits.
road2ruin
Q-School Graduate
This makes interesting reading, with the new variant and the first gen vaccines onward transmission isn't greatly stopped by the vaccine, what they are great at though is stopping death and hospitalisation.
What do we know about covid vaccines and preventing transmission? | The BMJ
Isn't it also true that the booster wanes in power after 10 weeks or so, doesn't that mean that even if you are vaccinated would you suggest that they are re-vaccinated every 3 months? Maybe Gen 2 of the vaccine will be better able to prevent transmission.
Ethan
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A lot of your response to relaxing or retaining restrictions depends on the direction of travel you perceive. If you see Omicron as a mild illness marking the inexorable movement towards "Its just a cold", you'll want to abandon all restrictions and never go back. That is an understandable position.
If you are more concerned that another less friendly variant could be along shortly, you will take a different and more cautious view. I am yet to be persuaded by evidence that this is not the sensible place to be.
Hilary Jones is a media-friendly GP but not a particular expert on any of these issues. Nor is the Royal College of Nursing. He does note that the facts have changed. True, but they can change again.
If you are more concerned that another less friendly variant could be along shortly, you will take a different and more cautious view. I am yet to be persuaded by evidence that this is not the sensible place to be.
Hilary Jones is a media-friendly GP but not a particular expert on any of these issues. Nor is the Royal College of Nursing. He does note that the facts have changed. True, but they can change again.
Swango1980
Well-known member
That may be true, but he is likely more of an expert than anyone you will find on Golf Monthly forums. I am also sure he has direct contact with a number of people you would consider experts in the field.
However, if any of us DO consider ourselves more of an expert, I recommend contacting GMB and other news programs to voice your opinions. If your credentials stack up, no doubt they'd be interested in getting you on. It would be far better that this health advice is shared with million on TV, rather than the few that dip in and out of this thread.
If we kept restrictions as they were, would that really stop a more dangerous variant entering the population? It didn't work with other variants that came into the UK. How long should we wait for a new variant to come along, before being able to lift restriction? If a more dangerous variant was identified, then I'd assume some / many restrictions would be put back into place.
Ethan
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Plenty of experts of various sorts providing opinions of varying quality. Far be it from me to trade qualifications, but Hilary is an expert in General Practice, not epidemiology, virology or infectious diseases.
It is an uncontroversial fact that the next variant of Covid need not be a mild one, and that JCVI stated that as a reason for childhood vaccination. For the same reason, some caution is needed, and prudent withdrawal of restrictions would have been wiser.
If we kept restrictions, it would not necessarily stop, but should reduce the risk, or at least delay the arrival, of the next variant, since new variants arise as random mutations among infected people. The fewer the number of infected people, the fewer the number of new mutations occur.
Also, the removal of restrictions was not presented as a step back which could be reinstated, and has been interpreted by many as the war is over.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Well, the question was asked on this forum why these certain restrictions were lifted.
Rather than provide a response from an unqualified amateur golfer, I stated the response of a GP who also is likely to have many contacts who are experts in this area. Of course, different experts will still have various levels of opinion, based around the interpretation of the evidence. However, the response he gave seemed to provide a perfectly good explanation as to why these restrictions were lifted. Whether you agree with these reasons is another matter altogether. In my own opinion, I'm inclined to agree with the current outcome, but I guess we all need to make our own minds up at some point, if experts are giving differing opinions.
I would assume Hilary is fed info from various people and bodies before he goes on tv to talk about stuff. He must know this is not his area of expertise but many people listen to what he says and trust him. It makes sense for the medical profession to use that trust for good. I'd be surprised if he spoke only based on his own knowledge.
We were chatting at work today about how covid has dropped off the radar following the Ukraine issue, understandably. None of us knew the daily rates, could be a good thing? Stress levels are up regarding the war, down regarding covid.
We were chatting at work today about how covid has dropped off the radar following the Ukraine issue, understandably. None of us knew the daily rates, could be a good thing? Stress levels are up regarding the war, down regarding covid.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Indeed. At my work today, my colleague just came up with "we hear nothing about Covid anymore". It might be a worry for some, but for me and virtually everyone I know, the fear is well and truly gone. Doesn't mean we think Covid has gone, but the fear has.
When the pubic announcement about restrictions was made, that was bound to generate huge headlines and fear mongering within the media, that the decision was wrong and we could be in huge trouble. However, coincidentally Putin gave his one hour ramble at the same time, and the media instantly forgot about Covid. Well, pretty much, I barely even heard it mentioned in the headlines the next day. I am pretty sure it went from being 90% of news headlines on Monday, to well under 10% by Tuesday. Now I'd be surprised if it gets much more than 1-2% of coverage on mainstream media.
I'm even going to start considering NOT washing my hands after going to the toilet
Foxholer
Blackballed
Around we go in another cycle of differing opinions from the same entrenched folk.
But I can't see the logic of not requiring Care Home staff to be (fully) vaccinated! The folk they are caring for are, after all, the most vulnerable, so need and deserve 'special' treatment. The lack of such care when the virus first arrived was almost criminal neglect!
But I can't see the logic of not requiring Care Home staff to be (fully) vaccinated! The folk they are caring for are, after all, the most vulnerable, so need and deserve 'special' treatment. The lack of such care when the virus first arrived was almost criminal neglect!