Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Ethan]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

That study had very little to relay on, since RCTs of masks vs no mask have not been done very often, for obvious reasons, and carry obvious problems with blinding (you can't really do it properly).

Most people are happy to rely on the self-evident effect of reducing droplet spreading as being a good thing. If someone sneezes on you wearing a mask, or not wearing a mask, which one causes the most snot splatter?

Like masks in Covid, masks in surgery need to be combined with other measures, though.

 

[SocketRocket]

I am not sure anyone is disputing that the masks that doctors and nurses wear don’t work however they are specific masks, they are worn properly and they’re probably changed numerous times. I’d imagine none of those apply to the vast majority of the general public.

I’m not saying that masks don’t have a slight effect but the argument people put forward that doctors and nurses wear them just doesn’t work.

You've either ignored or forgot the numerous scientific studies posted on this thread proving that mask wearing is highly effective in reducing the spread of viruses and especially Covid.

Most masks work very effectively, I find these suggestions dismissing their effectiveness are normally used to bolster misinformation by Covid deniers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n432

 

[PNWokingham]

You've either ignored or forgot the numerous scientific studies posted on this thread proving that mask wearing is highly effective in reducing the spread of viruses and especially Covid.

Most masks work very effectively, I find these suggestions dismissing their effectiveness are normally used to bolster misinformation by Covid deniers.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n432

I have no doubt that masks do reduce the transmission mechanism and thus the spread to a greater or lesser degree depending on the type of mask, how it is worn and how crowdeed the environment. And only really indoors. But why do you have have to try and link people who are anti masks for whatever reasons to COVID deniers. That is dramatically pathetic and I have seen nobody post anything on here that can be deemed denying COVID, albeit several support people's ability to now choose whether to wear masks or not given the law and reduced risks.

 

[Ethan]

I have no doubt that masks do reduce the transmission mechanism and thus the spread to a greater or lesser degree depending on the type of mask, how it is worn and how crowdeed the environment. And only really indoors. But why do you have have to try and link people who are anti masks for whatever reasons to COVID deniers. That is dramatically pathetic and I have seen nobody post anything on here that can be deemed denying COVID, albeit several support people's ability to now choose whether to wear masks or not given the law and reduced risks.

I agree that masks are useful inside but not outside. The indoors-outdoors distinction was fumbled from the very start. Applying a rule of 6 to people sitting in the park or banning people from walking in the hills was ridiculous.

There is a spectrum of opinion on masks, from those who don't really know or care but don't regard it as an inconvenience so do it, to those who are a bit dubious but agree to conform to rules/expectations across a few other shades to those who regard it as a massive infringement of liberties. The last lot invariably make a strong argument that masks are ineffective, because they know a lot of people don't have the same libertarian beliefs.

My argument is simpler. Masks help a bit, varies with location, fitting and prevalent risk, but the downside is so negligible that it still represents a valid thing to do from a benefit-risk perspective.

 

[SocketRocket]

I have no doubt that masks do reduce the transmission mechanism and thus the spread to a greater or lesser degree depending on the type of mask, how it is worn and how crowdeed the environment. And only really indoors. But why do you have have to try and link people who are anti masks for whatever reasons to COVID deniers. That is dramatically pathetic and I have seen nobody post anything on here that can be deemed denying COVID, albeit several support people's ability to now choose whether to wear masks or not given the law and reduced risks.

When I say Covid Deniers I include the cohort who propagate the belief it's all over and we need to just Get on with it or live with it' there are a number of this club on this forum who dismiss the evidence to suit their agenda.

 

[Foxholer]

I have no doubt that masks do reduce the transmission mechanism and thus the spread to a greater or lesser degree depending on the type of mask, how it is worn and how crowdeed the environment. And only really indoors. But why do you have have to try and link people who are anti masks for whatever reasons to COVID deniers. That is dramatically pathetic and I have seen nobody post anything on here that can be deemed denying COVID, albeit several support people's ability to now choose whether to wear masks or not given the law and reduced risks.

Given your agreement above that masks can help, what reason do you think the anti mask folk are anti mask then?

 

[PhilTheFragger]

When I say Covid Deniers I include the cohort who propagate the belief it's all over and we need to just Get on with it or live with it' there are a number of this club on this forum who dismiss the evidence to suit their agenda.

It’s not all over, but we do need to get on and live with it, and I’m happy to wear a mask and have whatever jabs are required if it helps achieve that.

There will always be people at opposite ends of the spectrum, from those like me, to those who cannot have jabs due to medical conditions, to those who refuse jabs due to their own reasoning.

The big question in my mind is that the unvaxxed minority are helping perpetuate the virus and keeping certain restrictions in place for the vaxxed majority

 

[road2ruin]

Given your agreement above that masks can help, what reason do you think the anti mask folk are anti mask then?

Presumably because the evidence is that they help 'a bit', they're not going to hasten the end of the pandemic and for those who take the opposing view they probably feel that the reasons for them aren't strong enough.

I put myself in the group who aren't convinced by them, or at least not those that the public wear, how they wear and where they're kept etc however it is no great hardship and if I'm in a supermarket or shop I'll stick it on.

As mentioned above, I think you can be a mask sceptic without being a Covid denier.

 

[Foxholer]

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As mentioned above, I think you can be a mask sceptic without being a Covid denier.

I agree...I'm marginally that way too, but happily comply.
It's the anti-mask folk I was asking about though!

 

[PNWokingham]

Given your agreement above that masks can help, what reason do you think the anti mask folk are anti mask then?

As mentioned ad infinitum, masks help yes, to some degree, but risks are deemed low enough to make it a marginal positive and the rules allow each person to determine their behaviour

 

[Ethan]

As mentioned ad infinitum, masks help yes, to some degree, but risks are deemed low enough to make it a marginal positive and the rules allow each person to determine their behaviour

One important difference is that the benefit of masks, even if modest, applies to other people too. So you decide not only what risk you are prepared to accept for yourself, but also what risk you are prepared to pass on to others.

For that reason, people who do not want to wear masks, for whatever reason, whether Covid deniers or students of droplet size, feel the need to argue that masks are ineffective, otherwise they would look like they were being reckless with other people's health as well as their own.

 

[SocketRocket]

As mentioned ad infinitum, masks help yes, to some degree, but risks are deemed low enough to make it a marginal positive and the rules allow each person to determine their behaviour

Of course the rules allow people to determine their behaviour in certain circumstances. Hopefully that behaviour is considerate to others.

 

[Foxholer]

As mentioned ad infinitum, masks help yes, to some degree, but risks are deemed low enough to make it a marginal positive and the rules allow each person to determine their behaviour

That wasn't my question! The question I asked you was 'Given your agreement above that masks can help, what reason do you think the anti mask folk are anti mask then?! You seem reluctant to answer that question. Why?

 

[PNWokingham]

Of course the rules allow people to determine their behaviour in certain circumstances. Hopefully that behaviour is considerate to others.

No point on continuing this as you cannot accept anyone who chooses to not wear a mask. I will not wear one in most circumstances but am also considerate to others and allow space between me and others in supermarkets etc. And I would avoid pibs if I were you as they are now 95% mask-free zone

 

[PNWokingham]

That wasn't my question! The question I asked you was 'Given your agreement above that masks can help, what reason do you think the anti mask folk are anti mask then?! You seem reluctant to answer that question. Why?

I answered your question. I and the government who set the rules do not deem them necessary anymore. Anything any sphere of life can be a help to limit something but there always has to be a balance. You can carry on doing what you want with a mask and I will do the same. Drinking is bad for me but I will continue doing it, easting too much money on golf subs is illogical but I continue doing it, speeding is naughty, but I may do it of the risks look acceptable etc etc etc

 

[Foxholer]

I answered your question...

Twaddle!

 

[Crazyface]

Blimey! Is this still a discussion. It's all over here. Give it up.

 

[SocketRocket]

Blimey! Is this still a discussion. It's all over here. Give it up.

With respect, maybe you should.

 

[SocketRocket]

No point on continuing this as you cannot accept anyone who chooses to not wear a mask. I will not wear one in most circumstances but am also considerate to others and allow space between me and others in supermarkets etc. And I would avoid pibs if I were you as they are now 95% mask-free zone

Never been a Pib lover ? I do keep away from Pubs as well, unnecessary risky places at this time.

Maybe you could clarify to us exactly why you wont wear a mask, it's not asking much of you and you seem to be dodging the question.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well today the wife finally tested negative but it’s her last day of isolation anyway

Both her and the daughter now have a cold ?