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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan said:
Shouting out stuff is unwise and unlikely to end well, but I will continue to make judgements of those who are advised by Govt to wear masks, asked by the owner of a private establishment to do so, but choose not to do so when entering that private establishment. At the very least, it is highly discourteous.
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Establishments have had [enforced] requirements for a long time...
For example, try getting into a nightclub whilst wearing jeans & trainers - you're not going to be allowed in.

The same can apply to shops, cinemas, theatres, etc - simply publish a dress code that includes the mandatory wearing of masks.
Problem is that such establishments don't tend to have bouncers / door men controlling the entry.
Having said that, many supermarkets have a security guy situated near the entrance - maybe they can "police" the entry?
 
GaryK said:
Establishments have had [enforced] requirements for a long time...
For example, try getting into a nightclub whilst wearing jeans & trainers - you're not going to be allowed in.

The same can apply to shops, cinemas, theatres, etc - simply publish a dress code that includes the mandatory wearing of masks.
Problem is that such establishments don't tend to have bouncers / door men controlling the entry.
Having said that, many supermarkets have a security guy situated near the entrance - maybe they can "police" the entry?
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I don't go to night clubs any more, but if a supermarket or shop asks customers to wear a mask, I think they should wear a mask, whether or not they think its just a cold or natural immunity will look after them. They shouldn't need a bouncer for that.
 
GaryK said:
Establishments have had [enforced] requirements for a long time...
For example, try getting into a nightclub whilst wearing jeans & trainers - you're not going to be allowed in.

The same can apply to shops, cinemas, theatres, etc - simply publish a dress code that includes the mandatory wearing of masks.
Problem is that such establishments don't tend to have bouncers / door men controlling the entry.
Having said that, many supermarkets have a security guy situated near the entrance - maybe they can "police" the entry?
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When was the last time you went to a night club. The 90s?
 
Fade and Die said:
So dismissed because it is mainly English language studies
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No. Dismissed because of what is in the section starting on page 106. The quality of evidence was non existent for 2 measures, very low for 10 and only moderate for 2. No good or excellent evidence.

The comments on the language related to thinking how they might improve the study to include some evidence that might actually be worth something.

Opportunity missed unfortunately. Give it a while and there maybe significantly more evidence available for which measures actually assist the prevention of transmission of viruses generally spread through close contact.
 
PNWokingham said:
Or.. people who respect the law and medical advice that has deemed masks not necessary. End of. The judgemental mask police need to wind their necks in and respect the right of everyone to do as they see fit. I do not like very crowded places and avoid wherever possible. On a rammed tube, I will still wear a mask. In Tesco, I will not. And anyone having a moral judgement of me in person in a shop will politely be told the rules at first and not so politely if they want to continue on that front.
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Interesting report from WHO last year. The place you’re most likely to catch Covid, a supermarket… just saying.

Just been into the village for a wee glass. Had a mask on for all of 15 seconds when we walked onto the terrace at one of the bars. No one within 2m all the time we were out. No need for a mask.

What you do is up to you, and if within the rules I couldn’t be bothered tutting. What I might think if I saw you in a supermarket, based on the WHO report…
 
Ethan said:
I don't go to night clubs any more, but if a supermarket or shop asks customers to wear a mask, I think they should wear a mask, whether or not they think its just a cold or natural immunity will look after them. They shouldn't need a bouncer for that.
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I agree, but when the majority of staff in my local Sainsbury's ignore their own company's policy it's somewhat hypocritical.
 
D-S said:
An interesting thread on patients in England being treated for COVID as opposed to patients in hospital with COVID being treated for other issues.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1489609796500299779
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I'm not sure what point that is making. Surely regarding Covid the only thing relevant to hospitalisation is the numbers of people in hospital ill with Covid. Why make comparisons with people who are hospitalised with Covid who are primarily there for other reasons, is it to suggest we are all Covid paranoid.
 
D-S said:
An interesting thread on patients in England being treated for COVID as opposed to patients in hospital with COVID being treated for other issues.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1489609796500299779
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Does that mean if you’re being treated for something else, the Covid you have is a weak, second class Covid? Or does it mean that because you also have other issues you’re even more vulnerable?
 
Hobbit said:
Does that mean if you’re being treated for something else, the Covid you have is a weak, second class Covid? Or does it mean that because you also have other issues you’re even more vulnerable?
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It's patients being primarily treated for Covid as opposed to those that are in there for another reason but happen to have Covid? As an example, in the first instance it's someone who has become ill after catching Covid and requires treatment for Covid and in the second it's someone that has gone in for a broken leg but who has tested positive for Covid. There are lots of people in hospital who HAVE Covid but aren't being treated FOR Covid.
 
ColchesterFC said:
It's patients being primarily treated for Covid as opposed to those that are in there for another reason but happen to have Covid? As an example, in the first instance it's someone who has become ill after catching Covid and requires treatment for Covid and in the second it's someone that has gone in for a broken leg but who has tested positive for Covid. There are lots of people in hospital who HAVE Covid but aren't being treated FOR Covid.
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Yes, that's valid but why make an issue of it.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Because it gives a better picture of where we are in the pandemic and for future planning. Looking at the graph there are around 23k people in hospital with Covid. But only around 11k of those are in hospital for Covid.
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It seems to me some are showing those stats to reinforce their views on Covid not being a concern.
 
SocketRocket said:
ColchesterFC said:
Because it gives a better picture of where we are in the pandemic and for future planning. Looking at the graph there are around 23k people in hospital with Covid. But only around 11k of those are in hospital for Covid.
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It seems to me some are showing those stats to reinforce their views on Covid not being a concern.
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That would have been fine if the same stats were provided at earlier stages in the pandemic, at least the Omicron portion!
Seems to me far too much of a coincidence that these stats are shown, or are leaped upon, as soon as the pendulum swings from 'because of' to 'with' Covid!
 
ColchesterFC said:
Because it gives a better picture of where we are in the pandemic and for future planning. Looking at the graph there are around 23k people in hospital with Covid. But only around 11k of those are in hospital for Covid.
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Does it? I think it's something of a 'soundbite'! Perhaps even an opportunistic one!
 
ColchesterFC said:
It's patients being primarily treated for Covid as opposed to those that are in there for another reason but happen to have Covid? As an example, in the first instance it's someone who has become ill after catching Covid and requires treatment for Covid and in the second it's someone that has gone in for a broken leg but who has tested positive for Covid. There are lots of people in hospital who HAVE Covid but aren't being treated FOR Covid.
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Re the bold bit...I think you are wrong!
It's the elderly folk with typical age related degeneration/illnesses such as chronic respiratory issues (and maybe even brittle/broken legs) that are most likely to die! Are you advocating doing nothing to help them recover?
 
Foxholer said:
Re the bold bit...I think you are wrong!
It's the elderly folk with typical age related degeneration/illnesses such as chronic respiratory issues (and maybe even brittle/broken legs) that are most likely to die! Are you advocating doing nothing to help them recover?
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Not at all. My point was that with such high numbers of cases in the community there will be a lot of people in hospital for other issues that will coincidentally have tested positive for Covid. They aren't in hospital because of Covid they just happen to have it. For a large number of these people they won't require treatment for Covid as it will only present as a mild disease and they will be fine, assuming that the treatment for whatever they're in for is successful. There will also be many that are being treated primarily for Covid. And there will be some that move from the former group into the latter group. I'm not suggesting that anyone shouldn't receive help to recover if they need it, just that some won't require help to recover from Covid.
 
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