Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[Ethan]

My curiosity stems, I suppose, from my assumption that, in the longer term, a combination of a good vaccination programme and immunity built up from community infection gives the best long term protection.

Disregarding how the U.K. and New Zealand have chosen to approach the management of the pandemic, from this point on which population is likely to have the best protection against Covid? I’m genuinely interested.

We don't know. A lot depends on the background previous exposure and immunity and future exposure. People in NZ may have been exposed to a different flavour of coronavirus previously, with more Asian elements. But the way to build it is to get the vax in first, then accept some inevitable community exposure to supplement the immune profile.

Natural immunity, though, is often used by anti-vaxxers to cover either imaginary immunity because their T-cells are good God-fearing T-cells, or as a result of various vitamins and supplements. Quite a few proponents of both aspects have thought twice while in ICU.

 

[PNWokingham]

I really do think locking down for a handful of cases is going to do more harm than good in the long term. The population are building up no natural immunity whatsoever.

Agree. Total over reaction. 14 day isolation if positive and an extra 10 for family members, making 24 even without having it!

 

[Foxholer]

I really do think locking down for a handful of cases is going to do more harm than good in the long term. The population are building up no natural immunity whatsoever.

That's not the NZ goal! Because of the geographical situation, they have taken a different approach. Preventing the virus getting into the country in the first place and preventing the spread if/when it does being the top priorities. Check their 'Deaths per Million population' and 'Cases per million population' stats to see how that has been more successful than UK's - who could never have adopted that policy.

Immunity via vaccination works better than risking death to obtain 'natural immunity'!

Btw. Same applies to Australia!

 

[Foxholer]

I can only assume that is a wind-up comment. She is an absolute joke.

Please explain why!

 

[Billysboots]

That's not the NZ goal! Because of the geographical situation, they have taken a different approach. Preventing the virus getting into the country in the first place and preventing the spread if/when it does being the top priorities. Check their 'Deaths per Million population' and 'Cases per million population' stats to see how that has been more successful than UK's - who could never have adopted that policy.

Immunity via vaccination works better than risking death to obtain 'natural immunity'!

Btw. Same applies to Australia!

But I’m still not convinced that they aren’t merely delaying the inevitable. As borders are opened up, and people are allowed to move more freely between countries, then surely countries such as NZ will see an increase in community transmission, in a community with limited exposure thus far.

The layman in me thinks, wrongly no doubt, that is a recipe for trouble.

 

[ColchesterFC]

We don't know. A lot depends on the background previous exposure and immunity and future exposure. People in NZ may have been exposed to a different flavour of coronavirus previously, with more Asian elements. But the way to build it is to get the vax in first, then accept some inevitable community exposure to supplement the immune profile.

Natural immunity, though, is often used by anti-vaxxers to cover either imaginary immunity because their T-cells are good God-fearing T-cells, or as a result of various vitamins and supplements. Quite a few proponents of both aspects have thought twice while in ICU.

So in my case, having had both original jabs, then getting Covid and subsequently having had the booster jab I should be about as protected as I can get right now? <--- with the obvious disclaimer of me receiving any future recommended boosters

 

[Foxholer]

But I’m still not convinced that they aren’t merely delaying the inevitable. As borders are opened up, and people are allowed to move more freely between countries, then surely countries such as NZ will see an increase in community transmission, in a community with limited exposure thus far.

The layman in me thinks, wrongly no doubt, that is a recipe for trouble.

Adequate/current vaccination is, and will continue to be a requirement of entry to any country. NZ and Aus, because of their 'island' status are in a much better position than UK to enforce that and avoid infection from outside - at borders. Djokovic's folly was an example!

Vaccination is NZ's approach to prevention.

Worth realising that, outside of the lockdowns, NZ activity has been 'as normal' compared to the 2 years or so of restrictions imposed on UK!!

 

[PJ87]

It is clearly not a perfect comparison, but the real difference was not in geography or demography but in [redacted] philosophy and leadership. People here are happy to compare Sweden, so why not NZ. Australia has also done a much better job for similar reasons.

Problem we have is economical. Our economy is heavily reliant on traveling.

NZ and Oz a little different even tho I agree handled better

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Agree. Total over reaction. 14 day isolation if positive and an extra 10 for family members, making 24 even without having it!

Yet their economy has suffered less and bounced back quicker? An area you have been quite vocal about in the way the UK has responded!

 

[SocketRocket]

I really do think locking down for a handful of cases is going to do more harm than good in the long term. The population are building up no natural immunity whatsoever.

We already know your views on Covid restrictions, why are you repeating them ?

 

[Pathetic Shark]

She will not be happy until she has turned New Zealand into North Korea with better scenery. Total and utter control freak.

 

[Foxholer]

Problem we have is economical. Our economy is heavily reliant on traveling.

NZ and Oz a little different even tho I agree handled better

Oh, the one issue I should have mentioned....

Tourism has been a significant to NZ's economy. That has been all but eliminated and won't even begin to recover until April - even then, with major restrictions.

 

[Foxholer]

She will not be happy until she has turned New Zealand into North Korea with better scenery. Total and utter control freak.

Utter twaddle!

 

[Billysboots]

We already know your views on Covid restrictions, why are you repeating them ?

I’m talking about the response in New Zealand. The conversation has moved on, and we’ve all slept since yesterday. ?

 

[IanM]

If someone wants to compare NZ and the UK's Covid responses, it is a bit like comparing crime in Inner London and Shirenewton and deducing that the police in Shirenewton are more effective.

 

[bobmac]

She will not be happy until she has turned New Zealand into North Korea with better scenery. Total and utter control freak.

So she has kept their deaths per million at 10 (UK is 2,247)
Got rid of assault rifles in a month.
Won her last election with a landslide.

 

[SocketRocket]

If someone wants to compare NZ and the UK's Covid responses, it is a bit like comparing crime in Inner London and Shirenewton and deducing that the police in Shirenewton are more effective.

They're always busy in Midsomer.

 

[Ethan]

Problem we have is economical. Our economy is heavily reliant on traveling.

NZ and Oz a little different even tho I agree handled better

You can't travel when there is nowhere to travel to, or when people travelling in from them poses an unacceptable risk.

 

[Ethan]

She will not be happy until she has turned New Zealand into North Korea with better scenery. Total and utter control freak.

That is an utterly deranged comment. You should stay away from sharp objects for a while. Some nice men in white coats jackets will be visiting shortly.

 

[Fade and Die]

Utter twaddle!

She’s a complete control freak…….

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