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Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

road2ruin said:
I don't doubt that the numbers of Omicron have risen and will continue to do so but are you saying that the huge rise of daily cases has nothing to do with the fact that our testing strategy has gone through the roof?

Look at the German numbers for example, if they're performing 3 tests per 1,000 people whilst we are doing 19 do you look at their numbers and go "look how well they are doing, their case numbers are so low" or is it because they are performing a fraction of the tests. I am not saying that there isn't a high level of infection out there, what I saying is that we are finding more of it due to our testing.
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Of course we are...
You're going down the Trump route....
More testing = more positives
Less testing = fewer positives..
The infections are still out there...you sound as if you believe that if you test less you find less so there must be less around..
The reality is that somewhere in the region of 200k infections a day are happening - were just not finding them all.
 
Imurg said:
Of course we are...
You're going down the Trump route....
More testing = more positives
Less testing = fewer positives..
The infections are still out there...you sound as if you believe that if you test less you find less so there must be less around..
The reality is that somewhere in the region of 200k infections a day are happening - were just not finding them all.
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Not at all, I’m not actually disagreeing with you. What I am saying is that the all of a sudden cases are again the most important thing in the media and records are being broken day on day however there is no mention of the massively increased testing which is going to be behind this. I’m not saying that their isn’t a high level of infection however it’s probably been high for a while but we’re now finding more of it.
 
road2ruin said:
Not at all, I’m not actually disagreeing with you. What I am saying is that the all of a sudden cases are again the most important thing in the media and records are being broken day on day however there is no mention of the massively increased testing which is going to be behind this. I’m not saying that their isn’t a high level of infection however it’s probably been high for a while but we’re now finding more of it.
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As I said earlier, many are just dismissing the case numbers as inconsequential - they're not.
Because each one has to isolate for 10 days.
An office or manufacturing plant that employs 100 people - if Omicron gets in there and goes around like it seems to be doing then a large proportion of those employees are having a 10 day weekend...and that establishment may grind to a halt because of it.
That can affect supply chains for food and other essentials ( another fuel crisis due to lack of drivers?)
And then it gets loose in a hospital. Before you know it you have 2 or 3 hundred staff off..
Many hospitals are running below normal staffing levels..take another 15% away and you're in trouble.
Hospitals closing, ambulances and fire engines grounded due to lack of staff - its a worst case scenario for sure but even a quarter of that is going to make things hard.
At current rates there will be 750k+ people isolating before Xmas.....thats a lot of the workforce
 
SaintHacker said:
I can see massive amounts of two fingers up at this, and quite rightly so in my opinion. 3 lockdowns, it comes straight back, jabs jabs and more jabs, its still there. It isn't going away, ever, so we need to learn to live with it. We can still be sensible and that but without the constant locking down/closing businesses etc etc.
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It's the "living with it" that is causing the increase in cases. Because they are living with it as if the virus is not there.!
Pubs rammed, sports venues rammed, indoors meetups as if we were in normal times. Therefore, the figures will rise ( and ,yes, were heading for herd immunity) , and if the figures rise with the percentage of invaxxed we have, then enough hospital beds will get taken up to bugger up the normal running of the hospitals and other life saving procedures can't happen.
So, either you refuse hospital for the unvaxxed, or you reduce the level of infections, because we have such a large number of unvaxxed they will get infected readily. Then too many will get seriously ill.
That is the reality of what is happening. Whether it's Omicron or Delta.
And at the moment the majority of infections are Delta.According to U.K. Health Security .
It's all about keeping hospitals functioning. It's not about trying to bugger up any part of industry or entertainment.
Do you really think these measures are brought in lightly?
 
Apparently London Ambulance Service was 100 ambulances down on numbers today due to being 400 staff down.
And there was a massive protest in London, no masks etc etc etc.....
Those against Lockdowns are bringing Lockdown closer.
 
Slime said:
Because not everybody is getting double jabbed and boosted, if they were, I'm sure things would be different.
I think this is our major issue.
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Even with people getting the vaccine the level of cases won’t be hugely different. People are still getting Covid after having been double jabbed and with the booster - the whole idea was it was to reduce the level of hospital admissions and people dying from it - cases are still going to happen
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Even with people getting the vaccine the level of cases won’t be hugely different. People are still getting Covid after having been double jabbed and with the booster - the whole idea was it was to reduce the level of hospital admissions and people dying from it - cases are still going to happen
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So what's the end game?

I'm young, triple jabbed. Had covid 2x. Is this going to happen every year?
 
DanFST said:
So what's the end game?

I'm young, triple jabbed. Had covid 2x. Is this going to happen every year?
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It’s going to be just like flu - the virus will continue but the potency of it will reduce - each year people will be offered a Covid jab just like the flu
 
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