Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

[bobmac]

Food for thought........

22 October 2021
Overall, coronavirus (COVID-19) infections increased in England in the week ending 16 October 2021, with the percentage testing positive still highest in those in school years 7 to 11 (7.80%).

 

[Jamesbrown]

Wow, you criticise someone for making a bold statement and follow it by alleging that maybe more people have died from having the vaccine than others.

Could I see the data you used for that assertion?

If I said more people had died from it than others I would be absolutely certain and provide you the data you’d like to see if I’d made such a statement, but the sentence began with maybe so that should of suggested to you that it was a statement without any data or source.

 

[AmandaJR]

Food for thought........

22 October 2021
Overall, coronavirus (COVID-19) infections increased in England in the week ending 16 October 2021, with the percentage testing positive still highest in those in school years 7 to 11 (7.80%).

That is of huge interest to me. Currently teaching cycling to years 4-6 outdoors. I may also have some exams to invigilate in a secondary school in November and think I'll pass on those. Just doesn't seem worth the risk...

 

[Deleted member 21258]

That is of huge interest to me. Currently teaching cycling to years 4-6 outdoors. I may also have some exams to invigilate in a secondary school in November and think I'll pass on those. Just doesn't seem worth the risk...

As a bit of balance, I would suggest this post about attack rates for each age band(5-14 now indicates around 75%ish, shaken with a bit of salt) :-

Devan Sinha on Twitter: "91% of England's total population has either been infected or jabbed at least once if MRC's latest cumulative attack rate of 47% is correct. Assuming random vaxxing of previously infected. (ONS denominator). https://t.co/Hf9eagrjuA" / Twitter



The cases in the 5-14 range are as a result, likely to start dying down within guess 1-4 weeks at the current strike rates(lifts arms up in a guessing style), as the virus runs out of people to infect in that age range.

 

[Jamesbrown]

And as Bob says below, it doesn't prevent, but it significantly reduces risk of transmission.

Allegedly so, but here we are again with 50’000 cases and rising, but many vaccinated and talks of restrictions. (Which I’m not surprised of).

 

[AmandaJR]

As a bit of balance, I would suggest this post about attack rates for each age band(5-14 now indicates around 75%ish, shaken with a bit of salt) :-
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Devan Sinha on Twitter: "91% of England's total population has either been infected or jabbed at least once if MRC's latest cumulative attack rate of 47% is correct. Assuming random vaxxing of previously infected. (ONS denominator). https://t.co/Hf9eagrjuA" / Twitter



The cases in the 5-14 range are as a result, likely to start dying down within guess 1-4 weeks at the current strike rates(lifts arms up in a guessing style), as the virus runs out of people to infect in that age range.

Thanks. I guess another unknown is re-infection? How many of that age range could catch it again and potentially transmit...

 

[DanFST]

Now don't get me wrong, if you are older, then at the moment its fairly crystal clear, get the vaccine on average.

Have we lost all nuance with our conversations.

What about :-

1) A young lad of say 18 and their risk (have you followed the science and other counties/studies with regards to them and what vaccines they should have ?)
2) Someone who has already had covid (have you followed the science and the various studies with regards to them ?)
3) How about an older vaccinated person of 80 who has a poor immune response, they run a much higher risk of being hospitalised by covid over a number of days/weeks and passing it on, than say a 20 year old who gets over covid in 2 days

At this time, as for restricting access to Hospitals, it something I would be happy to protest about, its just plain wrong, wrong wrong wrong. No conversation.

Life is about balancing harms, not one disease.

Surely you now know people who have caught the virus after vaccination and have passed it on to others, I certainly do ? (maybe less on average than non vaccinated but).

Sadly the end game is vaccinations and infections. This is going to unfold over the next 1-3 years its likely to be bumpy and then the unfolding will go for almost a 'generation', as humans and the virus continues to adapt.

We need to ram up the NHS to cope with the virus and the fall out of this(ie. the short term direct virus effects, the medium/long term damages effects and for the other services) . Yeah its pants.

I will follow up on the bold points.

I know 2 people working in intensive care. One killed himself, the other is at breaking point with the self righteous stupid anti vaxxers he has to deal with. (pro jabbers can be self riteous twits too)

There is a chance taking a vaccine may save somone's life, and stop someone going to hospital. If you are too selfish to take it, then you should have to deal with the consequences. Unless proven medically exempt, there is 0 reason not to take it, Other than being an arse.

From what I've been told, we can't ramp up the NHS. No one will work there, because of the above stupid twits. Also on kings in london ward, there is so many different and some rustic peices of equipment to cope, how can you just train people out of thin air?

And calm, tried to take all emotion out of it and use PG language.

 

[Dannyc]

The virus is defo coming back
Me and roughly ten friends from a christening Sunday have all tested positive this last day or 2 so be careful guys
I was rough as for 2 days before I tested positive aswell

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I will follow up on the bold points.

I know 2 people working in intensive care. One killed himself, the other is at breaking point with the self righteous stupid anti vaxxers he has to deal with. (pro jabbers can be self riteous twits too)

There is a chance taking a vaccine may save somone's life, and stop someone going to hospital. If you are too selfish to take it, then you should have to deal with the consequences. Unless proven medically exempt, there is 0 reason not to take it, Other than being an arse.

From what I've been told, we can't ramp up the NHS. No one will work there, because of the above stupid twits. Also on kings in london ward, there is so many different and some rustic peices of equipment to cope, how can you just train people out of thin air?

And calm, tried to take all emotion out of it and use PG language.

I always enjoy your posts btw, you make your points without any undertone or like. May not agree with all of them, but can understand and good to hear other peoples views. Keep calm, stress isn't good for anyone and I am certainly not on here to cause any of that. If I do wind you up, happy to stop posting on this thread(I didnt read it for a number of weeks, due to some posting styles on here). Personally, I find its good to talk, to hear others opinions and especially their experiences. Certainly helps me.

I can see reasons for not taking the vaccine individually(select numbers of people like 2 dosing 18 year olds or with certain vaccines. Alot has happened over the last few months). On a society basis, I completely agree with you, everyone would be vaccinated btw.

Pushing people outside of society or alienating them or calling them names, will bring about such things as social unrest(now and into the future), if you wish for more criminals for example by stopping people working or making people work onto the black market, its a way of doing it.

A lot of people who have not taken the vaccine are not anti-vaxxers, they are actually vaccine hesitate and we need to encourage them, explain to them, answer their questions and son. That is a big difference and proper public health. We need to focus most efforts on the most at risk as well(have you noticed that London is only about 60% vaxxed, if you look at the poor/rich breakdowns, we can do much much more. That said London does have some of the lower cases rates btw).

There are no easy answers for sure and wouldn't for a moment suggest there is. There is just loads of bad stories everywhere from this pandemic.

Of course we can ramp up the NHS, not taking actions to try to ramp up the NHS to cope, is plain wrong. Its needs to happen.

We are now almost 2 years down the road, basic training for new staff for some areas could easily have been completed, equipment purchases and so on. They dont all need to be specialists or even working in the covid areas. If you look back at some of my posts going back to March/April 20 I was saying similar stuff, some people believed this would all be over fairly quickly, The past pandemics tells us it wouldn't be and it would not be nice.

All sides to the sword are sharp(can think of better wording, but the forum doesn't let me use them. I would be fraggers best new friend), pants pants pants.

All the best and take care and look after yourselves.

 

[SocketRocket]

It’s also worth remembering there will be plenty of people with valid concerns about the vaccine and it’s affects

Whilst it’s a small amount there are people who have had adverse reactions to the vaccine and there is no guarantee it’s 100% safe

I know there are pregnant ladies , ladies looking to get pregnant etc who haven’t had the vaccine because of the unknown effects it could have on unborn babies or fertility.

Some people have died due to their parachutes not deploying when jumping out of an aeroplane, it's still better to have one on though.

 

[Imurg]

Some people have died due to their parachutes not deploying when jumping out of an aeroplane, it's still better to have one on though.

But you can get around your parachute not opening by not jumping out in the first place.....

 

[Ethan]

Allegedly so, but here we are again with 50’000 cases and rising, but many vaccinated and talks of restrictions. (Which I’m not surprised of).

Not allegedly. If it didn't, we would have a lot more cases. But the effect does not last for ever, especially in older people, and there are still a lot of unvaccinated people around.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I know plenty of very decent people who contribute significantly to the wellbeing of society but would today be dead had the NHS adopted a ‘sorry…back of the queue for you m’lad’ approach. Sadly (for me) it seems like some on here would be happy with that. Me…I’m for an NHS that treats people without fear or favour.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Some people have died due to their parachutes not deploying when jumping out of an aeroplane, it's still better to have one on though.

Congratulations- you win ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Congratulations- you win ?

Its not a competition, it's just a comment that points out accepting the preventative measures we are advised to use by the experts cannot be guaranteed 100% effective but on balance are in our better interests.

 

[SocketRocket]

But you can get around your parachute not opening by not jumping out in the first place.....

If your planes crashing you may find it the better of two options.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its not a competition, it's just a comment that points out accepting the preventative measures we are advised to use by the experts cannot be guaranteed 100% effective but on balance are in our better interests.

It was a ridiculous comment trying make some stupid comparison

If your planes crashing you may find it the better of two options.

and again - just accept that some will still feel unease about a vaccine that is still very new and has affected a number of people negatively.

 

[SocketRocket]

It was a ridiculous comment trying make some stupid comparison


and again - just accept that some will still feel unease about a vaccine that is still very new and has affected a number of people negatively.

Again, it was to emphasise the point that nothing is 100% safe but in may cases the better option, what's stupid or ridiculous about that.

I haven't suggested some will not feel uneasy at taking a vaccination, rather that the decision needs to be based on expert advice and probability.

Your second quote of mine was an answer to another poster and only relevant to their post.

I am happy to discuss the matter but won't resort to insults.

 

[4LEX]

Allegedly so, but here we are again with 50’000 cases and rising, but many vaccinated and talks of restrictions. (Which I’m not surprised of).

Theres been no restrictions since July. That's pubs, clubs, festivals, full football grounds and more, yet infections haven't risen as rapidly as they did last September/October with plenty of restrictions in place then. This is despite two new variants being far more infectious.

Why do you think that is? A bit of luck? Or proof the vaccines not only prevent serious illness but infection to a very high degree

 

[Foxholer]

Again, it was to emphasise the point that nothing is 100% safe but in may cases the better option, what's stupid or ridiculous about that.
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Your analogy was ridiculous! To be considered 'equivalent', airlines should be forced to provide passengers with parachutes, and training to use them, on every flight!

I haven't suggested some will not feel uneasy at taking a vaccination, rather that the decision needs to be based on expert advice and probability.
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You neglected to include 'personal circumstances' in the decision process!
While I believe far too many 'no-vax' folk are making poor decisions based on misinformation, lack of trust and other wrong reasons, everyone should be entitled to make their own decision about whether/when to be vaccinated - based on as much verifiable info as possible/required!