Coronavirus - how is it/has it affected you?

Ethan

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I fail to see how NHS and PHE staff could do a "better" job at traffic management, security and admin of handing out and collecting samples, than all the guys and girls that were there today being paid £10 an hour. Nor why they should be used in that capacity, or where even the numbers would come from.
The track and trace system is a bit more complex than the bit you saw. That is the easy bit. The hard bit is having a system that accurately identifies cases, and efficiently identifies contacts and persuades them to isolate or get tested. The latter but was abysmal and could, and should have been done by PHE and NHS. PHE and NHS staff already provide local contact tracing for outbreaks of a range of conditions, and in this past pandemic, they handled most of the tricky cases.

As for how to staff it, there were a lot of PHE and NHS staff whose usual jobs were suspended due to Covid, but who had the skills needed. There were also loads of doctors and nurses happy to volunteer for various tasks from testing to vaccination, and willing to do so without pay, but we weren't called - it seems the private companies preferred untrained people at £10 an hour.
 
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Ethan, you are saying, are you not
" and if you have a positive test, you are, on average, much more likely not to have Covid than have it. "

Frankly, I think that is statistics baffling common sense.
It takes a situation where someone gets some symptoms before they then go for a test.(usually). Let's say it comes back positive.
He is treated as having Covid. He isolates, etc
If it walks like a duck, quacks.....etc

I can only imagine you are talking about everyone taking a test, with or without symptoms?
Even so,
How many of us here who took a test which came back positive would consider themselves likely not to have Covid.?
 

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Ethan, you are saying, are you not
" and if you have a positive test, you are, on average, much more likely not to have Covid than have it. "

Frankly, I think that is statistics baffling common sense.
It takes a situation where someone gets some symptoms before they then go for a test.(usually). Let's say it comes back positive.
He is treated as having Covid. He isolates, etc
If it walks like a duck, quacks.....etc

I can only imagine you are talking about everyone taking a test, with or without symptoms?
Even so,
How many of us here who took a test which came back positive would consider themselves likely not to have Covid.?
Well, it comes down to this issue of a low probability in a large population versus a high probability in a small population. Screening tests are always balanced between the risk of missing true cases and the risk of falsely identifying people as being cases. In this case, the tests err on the side of accepting that you will falsely identify people as being cases but that is preferable to missing true cases.

Exactly the same issues apply to treat screening, for example. A lot of women are identified by mammography as having a suspicious lesion when they don't have ideas, and further testing is needed to sort it out, causing distress and sometimes injury as the tests become more invasive. It is inherent in all screening.

On the numbers, it all depends on the prevalence in the local population, whether you are testing 'for cause' or routine screening and the precise setting of the test, but in general, in low prevalence circumstances there is a high chance that a positive test in a random person is inaccurate. so lots of people who self isolated, and their families or bubbles, probably did so unnecessarily. This is amplified by the track and trace and NHS Covid apps, which then use these positive tests in people who may not be cases to demand others self isolate.

I am not in favour of widespread testing except using highly sensitive research grade testing for epidemiological studies, and testing people with symptoms or a high chance of being infected, i.e close contacts of known symptomatic cases. I have not been tested once for Covid and never downloaded the NHS Covid app. Testing is being used as a means of reassuring the public. The Govt have never released figures for the test positive rate within subgroups, those tested for symptoms, those routinely screened for work or college, epidemiological surveys. Without that breakdown, the testing data is just a big, but pretty meaningless, number.
 

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Very encouraging figures showing just how good the vaccines are at reducing the risk of death. For the 80+ age group 545 cases in the unvaccinated with 155 deaths so 1 in 3.5 of those cases led to death. For the vaccinated 10087 cases and 928 deaths so 1 in 11 of those cases leading to a death. For the 70-79 age group 910 cases and 129 deaths in unvaccinated or 1 in 7, 22270 cases and 428 deaths in vaccinated, or 1 in 52.
 

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Very encouraging figures showing just how good the vaccines are at reducing the risk of death. For the 80+ age group 545 cases in the unvaccinated with 155 deaths so 1 in 3.5 of those cases led to death. For the vaccinated 10087 cases and 928 deaths so 1 in 11 of those cases leading to a death. For the 70-79 age group 910 cases and 129 deaths in unvaccinated or 1 in 7, 22270 cases and 428 deaths in vaccinated, or 1 in 52.
Having looked at the stats for the younger age groups the effect of the vaccine is still equally impressive. For those unvaccinated in the 30-39 age group 33986 cases and 31 deaths (1 in 1096). For those vaccinated 43004 cases and 8 deaths (1 in 5375). In the unvaccinated 40-49 age group 15106 cases and 54 deaths (1 in 279). For the vaccinated 67349 cases and 27 deaths (1 in 2494).
 

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This is a post from an ITU Consultant currently treating Covid patients posted on a medical website. This is a speech you don't want to be on the wrong end of.

Hello, I'm Dr X, I'm the ITU consultant looking after you today.

You've been really brave with this mask and you've done really well. I gather turning on your front was uncomfortable, but it did raise your oxygen levels for a while. I'm afraid it seems to have stopped working now.

You're on the highest pressure and the most oxygen we can give through this tight mask, so I think I have to be honest and say the only option left is to pop you off to sleep and put you on a ventilator. Yes, I know you've heard that they kill people but that's not true, it's that very severely ill people sometimes don't survive. You'll let us do it then?

You're just holding on right now and you could need the ventilator quite suddenly at any moment. It's really important you speak to your children and your partner, because you won't be able to for quite a while. No, it could be weeks. I will do everything I can to prevent that but there is a chance you might not wake up again, but I promise you'll never be on your own and we'll speak to your family as much as we can. You should make sure your other half knows how to access everything like bills and things like that because you won't be able to. We'll wake you up as soon as we can but it will take a long time to get over this, many months.

We're giving you everything we can but these things you've heard about don't work. I won't hold any treatments back that I know do good. Some of these things do harm, so we don't use them. Yes, I can talk to your kids and explain. No, they can't visit, this isn't a safe place for children and there are other patients with Covid here. There's nothing to be gained punishing yourself about the vaccine now, that has happened and we are where we are.

I know you saw someone in the next bed go on a ventilator, and you're right, they did pass away this morning. I'm sorry, but they had some medical problems you don't, so please don't think it has to be the same for you.

I promise we'll look after you, either me or one of my colleagues will be here every day and every night.

Move to next bed space. Repeat.
 

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This is a post from an ITU Consultant currently treating Covid patients posted on a medical website. This is a speech you don't want to be on the wrong end of.

Hello, I'm Dr X, I'm the ITU consultant looking after you today.

You've been really brave with this mask and you've done really well. I gather turning on your front was uncomfortable, but it did raise your oxygen levels for a while. I'm afraid it seems to have stopped working now.

You're on the highest pressure and the most oxygen we can give through this tight mask, so I think I have to be honest and say the only option left is to pop you off to sleep and put you on a ventilator. Yes, I know you've heard that they kill people but that's not true, it's that very severely ill people sometimes don't survive. You'll let us do it then?

You're just holding on right now and you could need the ventilator quite suddenly at any moment. It's really important you speak to your children and your partner, because you won't be able to for quite a while. No, it could be weeks. I will do everything I can to prevent that but there is a chance you might not wake up again, but I promise you'll never be on your own and we'll speak to your family as much as we can. You should make sure your other half knows how to access everything like bills and things like that because you won't be able to. We'll wake you up as soon as we can but it will take a long time to get over this, many months.

We're giving you everything we can but these things you've heard about don't work. I won't hold any treatments back that I know do good. Some of these things do harm, so we don't use them. Yes, I can talk to your kids and explain. No, they can't visit, this isn't a safe place for children and there are other patients with Covid here. There's nothing to be gained punishing yourself about the vaccine now, that has happened and we are where we are.

I know you saw someone in the next bed go on a ventilator, and you're right, they did pass away this morning. I'm sorry, but they had some medical problems you don't, so please don't think it has to be the same for you.

I promise we'll look after you, either me or one of my colleagues will be here every day and every night.

Move to next bed space. Repeat.
How can I copy and save this, just this 1 post, to share to all of my anti vax [ ex ] friends ??
 

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Some on here may say foolish but we have booked a holiday to Spain. it is quiet where we are going hopefully but what a challenge. Filled in the form for entry into Spain but have to wait until,48 hours before departure to complete. Try to find somebody to carry out Antigen test whilst abroad before return. Finally the PCR test on day 2 upon return. We now find after we have done the test we have to take it a round trip of around 100 miles or a Motorway service station to drop it of.

Will not be doing this but if we do not send the test who will know but it must be difficult to monitor? Also I was told the “post box” at The service Station is usually full..
2. we have paid our money with Rndox. The 2 tests are numbered sequentially. What is to stop people if they go away again to add say 1000 numbers on.

It all seems “hit and miss” to me which is disappointing
 

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Looks like it’s kicked off at the school, kids with siblings in different classes is causing the spreading.
Not so happy with how it’s being handled and some parents not really taking the care required.
 
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Not sure what benefits repealing the Coronavirus Act will have for us, and not sure if at same time scrapping vaccine passports for nightclubs, due to come in vey soon, is on the cards when just a day or so ago the culture sec was saying they might need to be extended beyond nightclubs…

I’m sure the grown ups know what’s what and why, but I’m currently not sure and a bit confused - especially given current transmission rates. I guess hospitalisation and death numbers must be considered to be at acceptable levels.

Note to all who can either read my mind, or read what is in the white space between the words and lines, there is no implied or actual criticism, neither for nor against, what I am hearing may come to pass. I’m just seeking clarification.
 
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Looks like it’s kicked off at the school, kids with siblings in different classes is causing the spreading.
Not so happy with how it’s being handled and some parents not really taking the care required.
My daughters a teacher , just in her class she has sent 12 kids home .
Two positive cases .
She is now anxious about bringing it home again.
 

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Yes several cases now, but it’s also got a 5 day gestation period… going to be a tough one. We have lateral flow test, boy is or has been good and had his test, will do it regularly.
 

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My daughters a teacher , just in her class she has sent 12 kids home .
Two positive cases .
She is now anxious about bringing it home again.
Took the grand sproggs to school today, the first time since the new school year started. There were 3 adults with masks on. Me and Missis T and one other woman. Me thinks schools could be a Covid time bomb.

That said, our local paper has said how busy A and E is in our area. I already knew that with my lad going last week. People are turning up with coughs and flu. A woman turned up and wanted her false nails removing.
Mansfield has a 94% increase in the last 4 weeks. My lad spent Saturday night with his pal. His Missis is in an induced coma, they have 2 kids. 6 weeks ago She told him she didn’t love him anymore. 2 weeks later she is in Hospital with Covid. Saturday he was told they have done everything they can and to prepare for the worst. She is heavily overweight with underlying health problems. She and he have not had any vaccines.
 
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