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On a bowler friendly wicket this is a good start from England - impressive batting
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Dan2501
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Good. I wouldn't say impressive. The Root-Stokes partnership promised a lot, but both should have gone on and got big hundreds. The start was also atrocious batting against some good, but not exceptional bowling. Root, Stokes and Buttler have dragged England out of the mire, and into a good position, but I'd say it was a pretty even day. Nice to see England playing some positive, attacking cricket though.
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This has definitely been New Zealands day so far. 131-0 as it stands currently, and only 258 behind. Reckon Taylor and McCullum will smash us around when they eventually come in.
England fail to build on a good recovery and their toothless attack taken to the sword. More problems for captain and ECB but this has one result written all over it and that's a NZ win. Big first innings score tomorrow and two days to bowl England out
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More rumblings from the Sky commentary box about Cook's reactive, not proactive, captaincy....
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More rumblings from the Sky commentary box about Cook's reactive, not proactive, captaincy....
Thats interesting - which guys because Warne was very complimentary of things he was trying
More rumblings from the Sky commentary box about Cook's reactive, not proactive, captaincy....
Not seen any of it but listened to Test Match Special and they panel on there were equally unconvinced that compared to the likes of McCullem and the more unorthodox (called it one day syndrome) captains coming through, whether Cook had it in him other than to set a traditional test field and rely on normal tactics to get a result
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Did you watch todays play?
Complimentary of him standing there cross armed most of the day. Or the constant short of a length tactic in pitch it up and swing it conditions? Or using the part time spinner ahead of the so called front line spinner after tea?
I know youve decided youre a fan of the current set up but seriously trying to defend England in the field today is a losing cause, they were horrendous, from the no ball, to Bells awful drop, to Broads embarassing attempt at a run out, to poor lengths for the conditions.
As for taking what Warne says at face value.......
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Warne and Botham. And yes, i watched the day's play, not the highlights.
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Seen the highlights (or not so high) and I agree. I can't see how anyone can really say Cook's captaincy today has been powerful, successful, innovative or even whether the players really look like they fully buy into his ideas. Very interesting listening to TMS for the first time in yonks and plenty on there (aggers, Tufnell and even Blowers) all taking Cook to task for letting the game drift and not trying something different to try and get a wicket.
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This. Same on Sky. And the same for many a test match. Cook waiting for something to happen rather than try and make it happen. Not my words, words of ex-captains and world class ex-players.
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I did watch a good portion of it but we both know we are opposites - you want the opposition to win where as i want England to win
Im happy tehy allow Cook to continue because regardless of the constant slating he gets his record is up there with all the recent captains - right now believe Cook has earned the right to continue to skipper the team - unless Cook is to blame for a dropped catch or a poor run out etc etc - its always easy to blame the skipper - England have been doing it for decades.
i guess all the stuff with bringing both Stokes and Buttler up the order would be down to someone else ( something they all highlighted as forward thinking from the management ) - could even see in the evening sessions trying to change things with legs slips and close in catchers etc - to try and get the wicket etc ( also mentioned by Warne , Botham and Smith ) Bumble was critical as was Atherton
I would prefer instead of just slating England to actually give credit to the New Zealands batsmen for today.
Series defeat to West Indies, humiliation in the last Ashes series, abject failure in the ODI game. Yep, definitely earned the right to still be there. He is in abject form personally seems to have the weight of the world on his shoulders and has failed to adapt and develop as test cricket moves on into a new generation. As for slating England, the bowlers were very poor today and batsmen simply feasted on the runs available. They'll bat England out of the game tomorrow and have two days to bowl them out (successfully)
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Wasn't putting Stokes in higher up the order due to Ali being in the nets and not getting back to the changing room in time to get his kit on in time when the wicket fell? Don't think even you can spin that to make it look like it was a good decision by Cook.
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Unless Ali was still trying to find his kit when they also moved Buttler up as well
Last night and again this morning before play they said it was a management choice to get Stokes and Buttler in to play shots.
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Who said that? All I've heard and read is that Ali was seen rushing back from the nets and wasn't ready in time to bat.
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Its in all the papers and it was confirmed during the interview with Stokes and Root at the end of yesterdays play - it was a tactical move.
ColchesterFC
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Haven't seen the interview with Stokes and Root but Reuters, Daily Mail, nz.sports and a few others are still reporting that it was due to Ali not being ready as well as what TMS were saying at the time. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Cook's recent captaincy record is poor. One series win out of four including a 5-0 thrashing down under and a home series loss to Sri Lanka. He cant live off the series win in India and the 2013 Ashes win forever. They were 2 years ago. (and more in the case of India)
Since the Ashes mauling England's cricket has been mediocre, turgid and dull to watch. Thankfully Stokes and Root broke those shackles on Thursday. I hope that continues but i think it will be despite Cook's captaincy.
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We beat India last September and then drew at West Indies - so unbeaten in the last two and overall he has had one bad series - the 5 nil down in Australia which was full of issues
But it's clear it doesn't matter what will happen - if it's good it will be inspire of Cook a if its poor it's all his fault - lack of consistency there. If your going to play him for everything else than at least be willing to give credit when something good does happen - if not then it's just an agenda
