Cook and Trott Out

[fundy]

So not being an England cricket fan then the old boys network makes no difference then

I don't really care what goes on behind the scenes - really can't see the issue right now nor in the last 10 years

You never can once youve made your mind up though! I have a lot of friends involved in the top levels of the sport and some of what I hear makes the blood boil.

I played cricket at all but the highest levels as a youngster, was more passionate about English cricket than pretty much anyone you could meet 20 years ago, that has reduced year upon year as the sport and especially the England team has been regularly mismanaged, individuals been horrifically treated and management covered up the majority of it.

If you dont care that that goes on behind the scenes of a national sport team thats your preference, but it really gets my goat, and yes to the point where I was cheering WI in Barbados and will be cheering NZ this series. I would rather certain people fail rather than succeed and if that means a couple of series losses to rid them from the set up then so be it

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So which individuals have been "horrifically" treated ?

 

[fundy]

So which individuals have been "horrifically" treated ?

we really need to go there again?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

we really need to go there again?

Are we really talking about KP again ?! "Horrifically" treated ?! Do you really just mean the media whore cricketer who has made millions out of the sport

Surely to say something so strong there must be more than just him ?!

 

[fundy]

Are we really talking about KP again ?! "Horrifically" treated ?!

Surely to say something so strong there must be more than just him ?!

yep theres been plenty but his is by far the worst and highest profile, but then you will never see it that way so pointless discussing further

 

[Deleted member 15344]

yep theres been plenty but his is by far the worst and highest profile, but then you will never see it that way so pointless discussing further

The same KP I guess who has been "horrifically" treated at every county he has fallen out with - Hants , Notts and in SA

The same horrifically treated KP who England gave a chance to and made himself a millionaire - the same horrifically treated KP who wanted to miss tests so that he could play IPL for money - who also wanted to retired from ODI and through his toys out when he was told he wouldn't be able to play T20 then - the same KP who demanded that the coach was fired and conspired to ensure it happened - the same KP who was caught red handed insulting his own captain to the opposition he was playing at the time - the same KP who then wrote a book slating everyone and then wanting to play again ?!

KP has had a hand in all his own issues - my brothers father in law is a patron at Somerset CCC and at one stage he was offered to them for T20 and the money he asked was astronomical as well as his demands - was politely turned down - every single issue around the England team has involved him over the last ten years - there is always one common theme throughout - poor old multi million KP - horrifically treated ?!? Sorry but unless there is something that no one knows but KP has most certainly done well from representing England despite not being English and upsetting every team he has played for - common dominator - KP - unless they all treated him horrifically ?!

To support the opposition because of KP ?! Sorry but that's something you would expect of him

 

[Papas1982]

I believe he wanted to focus on the upcoming test and the current squad instead of going over and over and over about a person who will take no part in it.

All this old boy network stuff is either nonsense and people only bring it up when things don't go well or they were just as vocal when England were winning regualry

Sorry, but that's not it at all. It's been a closed shop long before and after our rise and fall. Faces have to fit for England. I'm not going over kp. He's past now. But to suggest that Cook Had no contact about it whatsoever doesn't wash with me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Sorry, but that's not it at all. It's been a closed shop long before and after our rise and fall. Faces have to fit for England. I'm not going over kp. He's past now. But to suggest that Cook Had no contact about it whatsoever doesn't wash with me.

Faces have to fit ? In the team or the coach or the management ?

 

[Papas1982]

Faces have to fit ? In the team or the coach or the management ?

To get a place in the team, certain connections have in the past been advantageous......

imo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

To get a place in the team, certain connections have in the past been advantageous......

imo.

Which players in particular were picked based on face fitting ?

 

[ColchesterFC]

I would say that there have been definite cliques within the England dressing room especially over the last 5 years.

Phil what is your opinion on Broad and Prior being involved with the KPGenius Twitter account that was used to mock Pietersen while he was still a member of the test team?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I would say that there have been definite cliques within the England dressing room especially over the last 5 years.

Phil what is your opinion on Broad and Prior being involved with the KPGenius Twitter account that was used to mock Pietersen while he was still a member of the test team?

Wasn't Swann who was "reported" to be involved yet no evidence was found to assign any responsibility to the Twitter account bar the person who set it up - Bailey


One of Pietersen's celebrity friends, Piers Morgan, said on BBC radio the account was written by a member of the public, Richard Bailey, who he also alleged is friends with Broad and other England players.

Bailey admitted his involvement and includes England internationals Tim Bresnan and Broad and promising duo Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler as his followers on the site.

Bailey, who says he is from Nottingham and tweets under the name @Bailsthebadger, said on Twitter: "Yes the parody was me. It was for humour purposes only and as soon as I realised it was upsetting people i took it down.

"No professional cricketers were involved in it. I apologise if I upset anyone. It's not the business I'm in.

"I would also like to apologise to anyone I know involved with England Cricket who I may have put in an awkward or embarrassing position.

"At the end of the day I'm an England Cricket fan. When I saw it was potentially causing harm & upsetting folk, I shut it down."

 

[ColchesterFC]

Wasn't Swann who was "reported" to be involved yet no evidence was found to assign any responsibility to the Twitter account bar the person who set it up - Bailey

I'd forgotten that Swann was involved. Must have been Swann instead of Prior. I knew that two of them admitted that they had the password to the account and so were able to post from it but both denied ever posting anything. Personally I find that hard to believe. What other purpose would they have for knowing the password.

Regardless of that, would you say that openly ridiculing a team mate is as bad as sending a private text message to and opposition player insulting your captain?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd forgotten that Swann was involved. Must have been Swann instead of Prior. I knew that two of them admitted that they had the password to the account and so were able to post from it but both denied ever posting anything. Personally I find that hard to believe. What other purpose would they have for knowing the password.

Regardless of that, would you say that openly ridiculing a team mate is as bad as sending a private text message to and opposition player insulting your captain?

Did they admit to having the password ?

Didn't know that - thought that no one had been confirmed from the England team as being involved

If they have not sent or posted one tweet then don't see an issue

If they have confirmed that they posted tweets then they should have been punished

 

[ColchesterFC]

One of Pietersen's celebrity friends, Piers Morgan, said on BBC radio the account was written by a member of the public, Richard Bailey, who he also alleged is friends with Broad and other England players.

Bailey admitted his involvement and includes England internationals Tim Bresnan and Broad and promising duo Ben Stokes and Jos Buttler as his followers on the site.

Bailey, who says he is from Nottingham and tweets under the name @Bailsthebadger, said on Twitter: "Yes the parody was me. It was for humour purposes only and as soon as I realised it was upsetting people i took it down.

"No professional cricketers were involved in it. I apologise if I upset anyone. It's not the business I'm in.

"I would also like to apologise to anyone I know involved with England Cricket who I may have put in an awkward or embarrassing position.

"At the end of the day I'm an England Cricket fan. When I saw it was potentially causing harm & upsetting folk, I shut it down."

Not really a surprise that he would deny any involvement from any England players though is it? He was hardly going to say "Yeah ok, they were sending out tweets as well as me".

Piers Morgan also directly accused Broad and Swann (thought it was Prior but not you've said Swann it might have been him) of being involved with the account and of tweeting from it and said they should sue him if it wasn't true. So far he hasn't been sued.

 

[ColchesterFC]

It was Alec Stewart that said that Bailey had told him that 3 England players were involved with the account and that Stewart passed this info onto Andy Flower and Hugh Morris.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/alec-stewart-three-kevin-pietersens-4404334

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not really a surprise that he would deny any involvement from any England players though is it? He was hardly going to say "Yeah ok, they were sending out tweets as well as me".

Piers Morgan also directly accused Broad and Swann (thought it was Prior but not you've said Swann it might have been him) of being involved with the account and of tweeting from it and said they should sue him if it wasn't true. So far he hasn't been sued.

So no England player has admitted being involved

And Piers Morgan ?! Really - he is an embarrassment and I have no doubt Broad and co did what most do in regards Morgan - ignore him. That man is a disgrace

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was Alec Stewart that said that Bailey had told him that 3 England players were involved with the account and that Stewart passed this info onto Andy Flower and Hugh Morris.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/alec-stewart-three-kevin-pietersens-4404334

So no one has admitted anything and I'm guessing the evidence wasn't compelling enough to take it further - a person admitted to doing it ? He came out publically and admitted it - no one challenged him

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Of course Cook had something to do with it. He'd have been asked the question. Lying through his teeth and naive to think otherwise

 

[Piece]

So which individuals have been "horrifically" treated ?

Recently, Compton was poorly treated. Robson too. Carberry. All openers. Weren't seen to be the 'right' opening partner for Cook.

Graham Onions - was worthy of a place but somehow lost out to other trundlers when he was one of the top wicket takers.

Darren Pattinson (thankfully )