Conspiracy Theories

[bluewolf]

They did... Herself went along to say her 'hello's' ...

A friend of mine (who i'm meeting later for a drink) is absolutely obsessed with this group. He blames them and the Rothschilds for almost everything since the 1700's. It's usually a fascinating conversation, but a few pints of Erdinger will be needed before I can hear it all again...

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Probably one of the most talked of recently, and not my favorite, is the American government being involved in 9/11.

This is an interesting one. Whilst i agree with you it is rubbish some of the theorists point to an actual plan formulated by the CIA in the early 60s'.
This plan was codenamed " Operation Northwoods " the idea being to launch a fake terrorist attack by the Cubans, involving bomb attacks, highjackings and the bombing of American airlines in order to persuade the public of America to support an invasion of Cuba.
Not surprisingly JFK quashed it immediatly, which in turn has led to the JFK conspiracy that the CIA had him killed in retribution.
Wheels within wheels

 

[SocketRocket]

David Ike's theory on the Babylonian Brotherhood that controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian. I must admit that the two Eds do look a bit turtle like.

 

[Fish]

Nearly right Doon, they were in fact the foremost NI security/ intelligence experts of MI5, RUC and the Army and not necessarily involved in the peace process.

Very true.

Clandestine operation, so many cover ups with this one and again, the U S of A heavily involved on our soil!!

Millions in "out of court" settlements and not 1 wife, partner or relative has pushed for the "truth", strange that, or frightened?

Phoenix is a decent read, the wife of Jack who died on board has written it, or was he shot along with the others, however you want to look at it. There's snippets in there that you, like I would read into differently.

 

[Beezerk]

This is an interesting one. Whilst i agree with you it is rubbish some of the theorists point to an actual plan formulated by the CIA in the early 60s'.
This plan was codenamed " Operation Northwoods " the idea being to launch a fake terrorist attack by the Cubans, involving bomb attacks, highjackings and the bombing of American airlines in order to persuade the public of America to support an invasion of Cuba.
Not surprisingly JFK quashed it immediatly, which in turn has led to the JFK conspiracy that the CIA had him killed in retribution.
Wheels within wheels

There was an excellent tv program a year or two ago which put to bed the JFK multiple shooter theory. They described exactly what happened to all the bullets and how they definitely came from the same window in the book depository.

 

[Leftie]

That Dr David Kelly committed suicide. (You may remember that he was outed as being the source of a BBC report that Downing Street ‘sexed up’ evidence of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to justify going to war. He had an office at Porton Down.)


That Dr Richard Holmes who also worked at Porton Down committed suicide. Like Kelly, he also went out for a walk and was found dead 2 days later in a field.

Nah! Just co-incidences.

 

[stevie_r]

That Dr David Kelly committed suicide. (You may remember that he was outed as being the source of a BBC report that Downing Street ‘sexed up’ evidence of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction to justify going to war. He had an office at Porton Down.)


That Dr Richard Holmes who also worked at Porton Down committed suicide. Like Kelly, he also went out for a walk and was found dead 2 days later in a field.

Nah! Just co-incidences.

I was doing some reading on David Kelly yesterday. Strange that Lord Hutton who headed up the enquiry into his death, should rule that any evidence surrounding his 'suicide' including the post mortem report and photographs were to remain classified for 70 years.

 

[Paul_Stewart]

The 9/11 one is just insulting to the families of the people who died. Those so-called "truthers" seem to be in for their own personal publicity agendas. There was a great documentary that wiped out all of their theories including the one about explosives being planted all over the Twin Towers even though it would have taken a team of 20 experts three months to plant the necessary amount. And then when they were asked about there being no residue of the wires from said explosives, their reply was "they used a new kind of explosive that leaves no remains" ..... laughable but utterly disgusting.

 

[DappaDonDave]

I'm a bit suspicious of the pentagon 9/11 crash just because of the angle of attack and lack of remains.

Also not a great believer we landed on the moon, if we did, we'd be there more often. I don't understand my 1960's tech could get someone there and back but modern tech fails to do this sufficiently. There's also all the psychics involved around heat caused when leaving the earths atmosphere!

Another reason is that as space is 'nothing' how do rockets work outside of out atmosphere as my understanding is they are sucking in air and pushing it out, against air causing propulsion, but without any air, what's it pushing against to move?

 

[stevie_r]

I'm a bit suspicious of the pentagon 9/11 crash just because of the angle of attack and lack of remains.

Also not a great believer we landed on the moon, if we did, we'd be there more often. I don't understand my 1960's tech could get someone there and back but modern tech fails to do this sufficiently. There's also all the psychics involved around heat caused when leaving the earths atmosphere!

Another reason is that as space is 'nothing' how do rockets work outside of out atmosphere as my understanding is they are sucking in air and pushing it out, against air causing propulsion, but without any air, what's it pushing against to move?

Rocket engines don't suck in air; their ability to provide momentum in space is due to Newton's third law.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Another reason is that as space is 'nothing' how do rockets work outside of out atmosphere as my understanding is they are sucking in air and pushing it out, against air causing propulsion, but without any air, what's it pushing against to move?

Your getting mixed up with jets.
Not quite sure what your on about concerning the problems leaving the atmosphere.
The problems with heat tend to be when your coming back, not when your leaving.

 

[DappaDonDave]

Your getting mixed up with jets.
Not quite sure what your on about concerning the problems leaving the atmosphere.
The problems with heat tend to be when your coming back, not when your leaving.

Rocket engines don't suck in air; their ability to provide momentum in space is due to Newton's third law.

Newton's third law iirc is the equal and opposite reaction. But if there is nothing, I.e no atmosphere, what can you exert pressure against to get thrust/movement

Secondly, maybe I got confused with jet engines lol BUT there is a band outside the atmosphere which would generate extreme heat, can't remember wtf it is called but it would cause more problems than re-entry from memory.

 

[Foxholer]

Rocket engines don't suck in air; their ability to provide momentum in space is due to Newton's third law.

Almost! The momentum is already there - what his first law is about. Newton's 3rd Law is about Forces. And his 2nd about the application of forces/resultant acceleration.

So replace 'momentum' with 'acceleration' and you would have been correct.

Of course, Jet Engines also obey/harness these laws too!

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Newton's third law iirc is the equal and opposite reaction. But if there is nothing, I.e no atmosphere, what can you exert pressure against to get thrust/movement

Secondly, maybe I got confused with jet engines lol BUT there is a band outside the atmosphere which would generate extreme heat, can't remember wtf it is called but it would cause more problems than re-entry from memory.

On your first paragraph, it does have something. Its own fuel. Think lad on a scateboard with say a heavy object, when he throws the heavy object one way he will travel the other way. If he does this with nothing in his hands but goes through the same motions, he will go nowhere. The kids the rocket, the heavy object is the fuel.
Its no wonder i'am not a teacher, but i think thats pretty clear.

On your second i think your refering to the Van Allen belts. The problem here is radiation or cosmic rays. This potential problem was known about by nasa, which is why the command module was built using an alluminium honey comb as shielding. The exposure would also be low due to short time needed to traverse them.

If your wondering how rocket fuel burns in the vacume of space, it is because they take their own oxidising agents with them. The main two being LOX and NO2 i believe.
Hope this helps, i'am no teacher as previously stated. :thup:

 

[Hacker Khan]

Most golf writers are far too pally with the R&A so dare not say anything about their out of date stance on women members?

 

[DappaDonDave]

On your first paragraph, it does have something. Its own fuel. Think lad on a scateboard with say a heavy object, when he throws the heavy object one way he will travel the other way. If he does this with nothing in his hands but goes through the same motions, he will go nowhere. The kids the rocket, the heavy object is the fuel.
Its no wonder i'am not a teacher, but i think thats pretty clear.

On your second i think your refering to the Van Allen belts. The problem here is radiation or cosmic rays. This potential problem was known about by nasa, which is why the command module was built using an alluminium honey comb as shielding. The exposure would also be low due to short time needed to traverse them.

If your wondering how rocket fuel burns in the vacume of space, it is because they take their own oxidising agents with them. The main two being LOX and NO2 i believe.
Hope this helps, i'am no teacher as previously stated. :thup:

Quite clear me thinks, but I'd still spend 4 hours debating after a jug of pimms lol I still think its BS. How FA have we moved in 45 years, but still a dodgy old rocket is the pinnacle of human space travel.

Hacker Kahn - way to stay on topic :clap:

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

Quite clear me thinks, but I'd still spend 4 hours debating after a jug of pimms lol I still think its BS. How FA have we moved in 45 years, but still a dodgy old rocket is the pinnacle of human space travel.

Hacker Kahn - way to stay on topic :clap:

After a jug of pimms i'd probably spend 4 hrs in the bathroom.
Our perceived lack of progress in space is imho purely down to economics. However this might change if India or China get there and start claiming sovereignty over great chunks of its surface.
There are riches to be had, its just so ruddy expensive to exploite them. Helium 3 might be trigger that makes it viable though. Thanks to the Yanks and Ruskies doing all that nuclear testing there is now very little left here on earth, but the moon as loads of it, and a lot of scientists see it as the key to non radioactive fusion power in the future.

Of course some believe fusion power has already been developed, but the big oil companies bumped everyone off concerned and buried the research. Or was that just a film with that bloke out of Bill an Ted.

 

[Khamelion]

The "suprise" attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbour always interested me, a few unanswered questions there.
The Philadelphia experiment is another good un, though a bit less plausible.

Read somewhere that the British goverment while piling the pressure on the US to join WW2, but the American people were dead set against another world was and were happy to let the Europeans get on with it. Roosevelt needed a way in to help Britain but at the same time not alienate his own nation.

At that time Japan was pretty reliant on US oil and other commodities, so Roosevelt, stopped all transports to Japan, this peed them off somewhat and ultimatley lead them to attack Pearl Harbour, thus outraging the US people and gave Roosevelt the, in, he need to join the war.

 

[Khamelion]

The world is not round, it is indeed flat

http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

 

[Dodger]

It was the SFA and Celtic Football Club that really killed Glasgow's 2nd team.

Great one if it was true,in fact the best of many.