Conscription

[Deleted member 15344]

I was told that the UK Army is down to 80,000 diluting to about 18,000 fighting troops.
Navy down to 19 warships and two unusable aircraft carriers.

Not sure if that is good or bad.

The aircraft carriers are unusable because they are still being built and waiting for the JSF to be ready for service - that's not a new thing

And yes there is about 80-90 thousand in the army - no idea what diluted nonsense you are talking about

When someone tells you all this stuff do actually do any research first to see of it's not nonsense

 

[SocketRocket]

So you want the military people to train people who won't actually provide anything for the military ? We already have the TA or the RNR or the RAF Reservists

Plus how do you pay for it all ?

When was the last national emergency we had ?

Thankfully it appears the politicians realise what a ridiculous and unworkable idea it is and it wasn't even debated.

The country has no need for national service - there is no need to make any 18-26 go through basic military training - any gobernemmg that even suggests such a ludicrous thing won't last long in power.

I did explain they would be partially trained and some would be doing public service and they could also do reserve service for a few years as well, I believe the reserves are struggling for people.

I think there may be some national emergencies coming along before too long.

Maybe it could be partially funded by the benefits many of them get and people who are in education or certain professions could be excluded.

Maybe the Kippers would go for it. It may even get a lot of popular support.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I did explain they would be partially trained and some would be doing public service and they could also do reserve service for a few years as well, I believe the reserves are struggling for people.

I think there may be some national emergencies coming along before too long.

Maybe it could be partially funded by the benefits many of them get and people who are in education or certain professions could be excluded.

Maybe the Kippers would go for it. It may even get a lot of popular support.

So which professions do you want exclude ?

Or would it be just people on benefits ?

Partially trained ?! Where do you stop then ?

The "Kippers " could try it - maybe they would go one step further and make immigrants do it

What national emergencies do you see coming along ?

The idea of introducing national service in this country is unworkable and not needed - simple as that.

 

[williamalex1]

I missed out on national service by about 3 years the last time round. I've often wondered how it would have changed my life.
I think some form of training should be compulsory for the long term unemployed.

 

[Foxholer]

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2013-14/nationalservice.html

On the same day he introduced a number of other bills (deemed the alternative Queen's Speech) including ones to decriminalise the the non-payment of TV License, to reintroduce Capital Punishment for certain crimes, to facilitate the transfer of asylum seekers to the safe country nearest their country of origin, to force Head Teachers to make provision to keep schools open in adverse weather conditions and to rename the August Bank Holiday Margaret Thatcher Day!

I don't believe any of these Bills , except maybe the Decriminalising of Non-payment of TV License (currently at Committee stage), made it further than the 1st Reading!

The guy should be invoiced for wasting Parliamentary time!

 

[MadAdey]

Stick national service up yer arse as far as I'm concerned. I found the younger generation was not too hot at times for showing respect for rank, or doing as they are told and they want to be in the forces. What would some reprobate that is being made to do service because he has been on the dole for 3 years be like?

long gone are the days where you can throw people in a nice bath and wash them yard brushes. You can't even swear at them now or force them to do something that they do not want to, as they can report you for harassment as you are infringing on their human rights.....

 

[SocketRocket]

Stick national service up yer arse as far as I'm concerned. I found the younger generation was not too hot at times for showing respect for rank, or doing as they are told and they want to be in the forces. What would some reprobate that is being made to do service because he has been on the dole for 3 years be like?

long gone are the days where you can throw people in a nice bath and wash them yard brushes. You can't even swear at them now or force them to do something that they do not want to, as they can report you for harassment as you are infringing on their human rights.....

All that can be changed if you have the will to do it. It just may give those people some pride in themselves rather than a life without self respect.

 

[chrisd]

I'm ready and waiting to be called up and I've just been practicing ready for it

" they don't like it up em them fuzzy wuzzies"

"Permission to speak Captain Mainwairing"

"We're all doomed, we're all doomed"

"Stupid boy"

Wonder if I'll be on the front line?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Who told you! Someone down the pub?

No it was a former Westminister MP.

 

[Old Skier]

Need to bin this thread. The Yes voters on the Scottish debate actually believe it.

As I have indicated before, it's going to take more than 2 years to train people to use today's toys.

The figure for Regular Army for 2018 is 80,000, not enough to fill Wembley. A tad worrying. Numbers for RAF & Navy, unsure - what do they do

The numbers for the STABS required, never going to happen.

Government insisting other NATO members increase their defense spending after a massive reduction in ours.

Promising to build lots of new shinny tanks - problem, they have shut the production line down and no longer have the facilities, that's not taking into account how many MBT regiments we will now have.

Time for Trident to come into its own, I can give two targets if they need them, three if you count the country to the north

 

[Old Skier]

Bugger, it's not even a tank http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-29040182

 

[MadAdey]

Need to bin this thread. The Yes voters on the Scottish debate actually believe it.

As I have indicated before, it's going to take more than 2 years to train people to use today's toys.

what toys are you on about? You would not take conscripts and teach them to use tanks, that would be left to the career soldiers. It takes how long to teach someone to shoot an SA85-A2, Some NBC training and battle first aid? That is what you use the 3 year conscripts for. Teach them to be infantry men and then if we ever did have another large battle field war we would have a large pool of soldiers for it.

 

[Val]

More likely to compulsory conscription in Scotland post YES when potentially many of the current Scottish soldiers serving in the UK forces don't want to join a Scottish military

 

[Old Skier]

what toys are you on about? You would not take conscripts and teach them to use tanks, that would be left to the career soldiers. It takes how long to teach someone to shoot an SA85-A2, Some NBC training and battle first aid? That is what you use the 3 year conscripts for. Teach them to be infantry men and then if we ever did have another large battle field war we would have a large pool of soldiers for it.

You have seen the grunts new toys then. You obviously are fully aware that they no longer run around screaming banzie and use trench warfare any more. You might also take a look at the vehicles they could be fighting from and their commas and target acquisition equipment. Long has gone the day when a front line soldier just runs around with a rifle.

I suppose they could be truckies logies and policemen.

 

[Old Skier]

More likely to compulsory conscription in Scotland post YES when potentially many of the current Scottish soldiers serving in the UK forces don't want to join a Scottish military

Have a like

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Need to bin this thread. The Yes voters on the Scottish debate actually believe it.

As I have indicated before, it's going to take more than 2 years to train people to use today's toys.

The figure for Regular Army for 2018 is 80,000, not enough to fill Wembley. A tad worrying. Numbers for RAF & Navy, unsure - what do they do

The numbers for the STABS required, never going to happen.

Government insisting other NATO members increase their defense spending after a massive reduction in ours.

Promising to build lots of new shinny tanks - problem, they have shut the production line down and no longer have the facilities, that's not taking into account how many MBT regiments we will now have.

Time for Trident to come into its own, I can give two targets if they need them, three if you count the country to the north

Skier.....I think you may have been misled by my last post when I was replying to SR re the size of the UK army and navy.

If you read the posts the conscription thing came about by a young lad bringing it up at a meeting. The audience [95%] yes voters shook their heads and called it rubbish. Another young lad [not connected] also said that he had seen it on a government website.

That is why I opened this thread, to try and find out what it was all about.
Now we all know.
It was not rubbish, it happened and as it was posted on a government website.
The problem seemed to be caused by the dates, they confused folk as they say 2013/4

 

[Old Skier]

Skier.....I think you may have been misled by my last post when I was replying to SR re the size of the UK army and navy.

If you read the posts the conscription thing came about by a young lad bringing it up at a meeting. The audience [95%] yes voters shook their heads and called it rubbish. Another young lad [not connected] also said that he had seen it on a government website.

That is why I opened this thread, to try and find out what it was all about.
Now we all know.
It was not rubbish, it happened and as it was posted on a government website.
The problem seemed to be caused by the dates, they confused folk as they say 2013/4

Must have misread your http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?63444-Scotland-Debate/page374

where you found out about the Governments conscription plans.

 

[MadAdey]

You have seen the grunts new toys then. You obviously are fully aware that they no longer run around screaming banzie and use trench warfare any more. You might also take a look at the vehicles they could be fighting from and their commas and target acquisition equipment. Long has gone the day when a front line soldier just runs around with a rifle.

I suppose they could be truckies logies and policemen.

they do not have to know how to operate a vehicle to fight from one. You do not need to teach conscripts either to use the live updating battle field plotting and target identifying systems. That level of high tech would be left to non conscript soldiers, that would be fully trained in its use. Not sure who brought up trench warfare, but you will always need soldiers trained to use a rifle in the battle field. The advanced vehicles being used are not that difficult to be trained on, so that the standard functions can be operated.

 

[Val]

they do not have to know how to operate a vehicle to fight from one. You do not need to teach conscripts either to use the live updating battle field plotting and target identifying systems. That level of high tech would be left to non conscript soldiers, that would be fully trained in its use. Not sure who brought up trench warfare, but you will always need soldiers trained to use a rifle in the battle field. The advanced vehicles being used are not that difficult to be trained on, so that the standard functions can be operated.

Conscripts would be cannon fodder. Basic infantry skills inc weapons training, NBC, battlefield first aid and lots of fitness training.

All pie in the sky, never going to happen anyway.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Must have misread your http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/showthread.php?63444-Scotland-Debate/page374

where you found out about the Governments conscription plans.

Well he was a Tory MP:lol: