Completing your score card

[rulie]

Ye of little faith in golfers!
"Should" is a recommendation only, not a requirement.
I used to play periodically with one fellow; when we came off the eighteenth green he would have my scorecard in his hands and would ask for my score. I'd tell him my score for the 18th, but he meant starting at hole #1. As it should be my scorecard was always accepted by the Committee.
The Committee has to accept the scorecard if it has 18 individual hole scores, the player's and marker's signature and the player's handicap (if applicable). The Committee doesn't pass judgement on the accuracy of a scorecard; if they later becomes aware of errors, they will deal with them according to the Rules.

 

[chrisd]

Ye of little faith in golfers!
"Should" is a recommendation only, not a requirement.
I used to play periodically with one fellow; when we came off the eighteenth green he would have my scorecard in his hands and would ask for my score. I'd tell him my score for the 18th, but he meant starting at hole #1. As it should be my scorecard was always accepted by the Committee.
The Committee has to accept the scorecard if it has 18 individual hole scores, the player's and marker's signature and the player's handicap (if applicable). The Committee doesn't pass judgement on the accuracy of a scorecard; if they later becomes aware of errors, they will deal with them according to the Rules.

But i suspect that you had your scores written down in the markers column of the card you were responsible for and didn't just remember the scores at the end of the round too, and that your marker trusted your recording ability.

 

[rulie]

But i suspect that you had your scores written down in the markers column of the card you were responsible for and didn't just remember the scores at the end of the round too, and that your marker trusted your recording ability.

And if I didn't have them recorded? I could certainly recall all of them. My notes on another card are irrelevant to my card.

 

[rosecott]

And if I didn't have them recorded? I could certainly recall all of them. My notes on another card are irrelevant to my card.

While not in any way questioning your ability to recall, I'm pretty certain that ability is not universal - particularly so with our seniors. A fair number are incapable of knowing how many strokes have been played after each hole. How would you expect a committee member to react if competitors were seen to be regularly remembering/guessing what had happened over the previous 4 hours?

 

[backwoodsman]

Ye of little faith in golfers!
"Should" is a recommendation only, not a requirement....
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And in any case, there is no penalty for not abiding by rule 6-6 (nor any general penalty for breach of rule 6). So, if you don't record the score after each hole, what can anyone do about it?

 

[rulie]

While not in any way questioning your ability to recall, I'm pretty certain that ability is not universal - particularly so with our seniors. A fair number are incapable of knowing how many strokes have been played after each hole. How would you expect a committee member to react if competitors were seen to be regularly remembering/guessing what had happened over the previous 4 hours?

What is the Committee member's responsibility? He is there to deal with the returned card, not pass judgement on it or the players.

 

[rosecott]

What is the Committee member's responsibility? He is there to deal with the returned card, not pass judgement on it or the players.

I disagree - not in terms of the rules but rather in terms of the committee's general responsibilities in running the club. I would equate the scenario of completing the scorecard in retrospect to hearing a number of voiced suspicions of a member involved in cheating - either might be wrongdoing or otherwise and a committee should be able to address the issues.

 

[rulie]

I disagree - not in terms of the rules but rather in terms of the committee's general responsibilities in running the club. I would equate the scenario of completing the scorecard in retrospect to hearing a number of voiced suspicions of a member involved in cheating - either might be wrongdoing or otherwise and a committee should be able to address the issues.

Well there is a big difference in responsibility between the committee that runs the club and the committee that organizes the competition. The latter's responsibilities are outlined in Rules 33 and 34. I suspect the former's are outlined in the club's bylaws.

 

[chimpo1]

Guys, after finishing the round, i would be able to tell you how many yards I had to each pin, what club I hit and what I scored. That is not a problem.
I agree that it is not ideal and this is a one off incident for reasons that have already been mentioned. The question remains is there a penalty for writing the scorecard out afterwards and although you shouldn’t do it, the answer it seems is no there is not.
The question of integrity is interesting as I would bet money that most players did not hole out every ball but accepted gimmes from their opponents and went along to the next hole. I have no interest in winning a turkey, I did not even expect 45 points to be in with a chance of winning.

 

[shortgame]

The question remains is there a penalty for writing the scorecard out afterwards

No. No penalty whatsoever

 

[jim8flog]

Perhaps advice was given, although it is unlikely as I am a 5 handicap and he is 20.
It was a winter league competition for a bit of fun to win a turkey. It is played by around 48 people alongside their match play comps as prescribed by the committee. There are no handicap adjustments involved.

I realise this has opened a can of worms here but it was the original question of writing the scorecard out afterwards that was my main concern.

Remember advice is a two thing with penalties for either giving or receiving it whilst you may not have taken advice from your 20 handicap partner you may have given them advice.

I know as the committee member mainly responsible for competitions at our club I would probably reject the entry if I found out you entered the competition after completing the round. However that would not be acceptable in any case where I play because you would have failed to complete the competition entry requirements in the first place which require the book to be signed before commencing your round.

 

[Hosel Fade]

Based on the fact you only remembered it was competition day after teeing off and therefore most likely did not sign in, nor pay entry or discuss entry with other members I would reject the score.

Not due to rules of golf but due to fairly universal competition entry procedures.


It does change a bit if its a thing everyone is assumed to have entered in a swindle type scenario just by turning up.

 

[Deleted member 18645]

One of the reasons for there being no penalty for completing a scorecard at the end of the round would be .... what if your card blew away into a lake or was lost? Would a player be disqualified because the marker lost his card? Hence why you can therefore re-write a card completely at the end of a round.

 

[chimpo1]

Based on the fact you only remembered it was competition day after teeing off and therefore most likely did not sign in, nor pay entry or discuss entry with other members I would reject the score.

Not due to rules of golf but due to fairly universal competition entry procedures.


It does change a bit if its a thing everyone is assumed to have entered in a swindle type scenario just by turning up.

That is exactly what it is. It is a free entry comp in our winter league. There are 4 divisions and they don't all play for the turkey at the same ti, hence the reason we didn't pick up a scorecard. It is very informal.

 

[rulefan]

Really, a score card is completely irrelevant in the context of your original question.
There are no scorecards in matchplay.

As to the finally exposed situation, as you were DQd, again the card is irrelevant.

However, the Rules don't specify when the card has to be completed for a conforming strokeplay round.