Comparison of shafts

[kid2]

I was at the range the other night with my mate and had a good 2 hour session....

He uses Adams CB1's with project x flighted rifle 6.0s...
I use Wilsonstaff fg tours with dynamic s300's..

I pulled both 4 irons and began hitting alternate shots at the same target.... There was little distance difference between both clubs but i felt like i had to swing my s300's with a bit more effort to get the same distance as the Adams....Also he had standard grips with 2 wraps of masking tape plus one wrap of grip tape under them..... They seemed felt nice and comfy. I felt like i was choking my own clubs after hitting them...t

Im not one for custom fitting but i felt the Adams were a way smoother feeling shaft than the DG's.... The dispersion was also tighter with the project x shafts... They seemed to be easier to get airborne but i wasn't missing as far right with them.....

Im seriously thinking of reshafting my s300's with the 6.0s but im a little nervous that theclub head may have played a part in the ease of hit with the Adams......

The iron heads are similar size and the only difference i can see is there is a little more toe weight in the Wilsonstaff....
Has anyone went from S300's to the rifle flighted but kept the same club heads.

 

[Imurg]

DGS300 measures out at 5.8 on the frequency scale
PX 6.0 comes in at 6.5 so, on the face of it, it's quite a way chunkier than the DG.

Your mate's PX6.0 could have been soft stepped twice, that would bring it in at 5.7.

There's a chart here that lists frequencies - its a couple of years old now but has most of the popular shafts.
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/

But Ethan's your Man - The Man!

Just seen that you mentioned Flighted - they come in about .5 softer than the non-flighted version

 

[palindromicbob]

You should give the Ping CFS distance a try

I would think though that the heads are probably playing a part as well and can see how you could get anywhere near a good comparison with 2 such different set-up. Is there any way you could try a project shaft on a Wilson head. Maybe worth trying to get a demo club of fleabay so you can do a side by side testing. Could save you a lot of hassle in case it didn't work out.

 

[kid2]

DGS300 measures out at 5.8 on the frequency scale
PX 6.0 comes in at 6.5 so, on the face of it, it's quite a way chunkier than the DG.

Your mate's PX6.0 could have been soft stepped twice, that would bring it in at 5.7.

There's a chart here that lists frequencies - its a couple of years old now but has most of the popular shafts.
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/

But Ethan's your Man - The Man!

Just seen that you mentioned Flighted - they come in about .5 softer than the non-flighted version

Cheer Murg...

They felt really nice and comfy.
Noticeably easier to swing

 

[the_coach]

I was at the range the other night with my mate and had a good 2 hour session....

He uses Adams CB1's with project x flighted rifle 6.0s...
I use Wilsonstaff fg tours with dynamic s300's..

I pulled both 4 irons and began hitting alternate shots at the same target.... There was little distance difference between both clubs but i felt like i had to swing my s300's with a bit more effort to get the same distance as the Adams....Also he had standard grips with 2 wraps of masking tape plus one wrap of grip tape under them..... They seemed felt nice and comfy. I felt like i was choking my own clubs after hitting them...t

Im not one for custom fitting but i felt the Adams were a way smoother feeling shaft than the DG's.... The dispersion was also tighter with the project x shafts... They seemed to be easier to get airborne but i wasn't missing as far right with them.....

Im seriously thinking of reshafting my s300's with the 6.0s but im a little nervous that theclub head may have played a part in the ease of hit with the Adams......

The iron heads are similar size and the only difference i can see is there is a little more toe weight in the Wilsonstaff....
Has anyone went from S300's to the rifle flighted but kept the same club heads.

If you happened to notice over the time that you played with your own irons, your tendency was to be missing a lot of shots slightly right, small pushes and you felt like you were hitting a draw and they never quite came back to target, chances are that the S300's were just a tad too stiff for the way you loaded that shaft anyways.

 

[kid2]

You should give the Ping CFS distance a try

I would think though that the heads are probably playing a part as well and can see how you could get anywhere near a good comparison with 2 such different set-up. Is there any way you could try a project shaft on a Wilson head. Maybe worth trying to get a demo club of fleabay so you can do a side by side testing. Could save you a lot of hassle in case it didn't work out.

Never thought of that Pal....

There's a demo Wilson 6 Iron in my local golf shop....... Id say 15 euros and it'd be mine....:thup:

 

[kid2]

If you happened to notice over the time that you played with your own irons, your tendency was to be missing a lot of shots slightly right, small pushes and you felt like you were hitting a draw and they never quite came back to target, chances are that the S300's were just a tad too stiff for the way you loaded that shaft anyways.

I play with a Push Fade most of the time... Rarely able to draw it so i stopped trying as i was just hitting bit pushes with the longer clubs.....
I have a swingspeed with the driver of roughly 106 mph so by all the laws of average that has me in stiff shafts but to be honest i swing pretty smooth so i can get away with regular shafts at times as well..... I play stiff Diamanas in my woods but play a regular diamana in my 3 wood and i hit that fine....

I just use what feels right to me.....

 

[Alex1975]

The PX is a lot lighter innit? Your getting old! :ears:

 

[kid2]

The PX is a lot lighter innit? Your getting old! :ears:

In my amateur hands it actually did feel lighter Pal.... :lol:
Im 1 shy of 40 but that the new 30 isnt it ?


Really nice shafts and clubs though...

 

[Foxholer]

I wouldn't recommend changing the shafts.

Relatively expensive process for what can be a marginal gain.

Better to find a set that have the shafts you want in them in the first place and buy/sell your own imo.

 

[the_coach]

I play with a Push Fade most of the time... Rarely able to draw it so i stopped trying as i was just hitting bit pushes with the longer clubs.....
I have a swingspeed with the driver of roughly 106 mph so by all the laws of average that has me in stiff shafts but to be honest i swing pretty smooth so i can get away with regular shafts at times as well..... I play stiff Diamanas in my woods but play a regular diamana in my 3 wood and i hit that fine....

I just use what feels right to me.....

Thats what I meant by loading, it's not necessarily just the swing speed, sounds from what you describe as your shot pattern and style it would be good for you to try a firm not stiff haft, one 5.5 just slightly softer like the old Rifles used to be.
With a very smooth swing, at your speed probably high 80's with a 6i you'd might well get more especially in terms of dispersion and accuracy without much change in distance of firm 5.5 rather than a 6.0.

 

[Bobirdie]

I played project x 6.0 in my irons for nearly 2 seasons. Loved the shafts felt where they should be during the swing. I used them as the dispersion was great on them.

I cannot for the life of me get on with an s300 shaft. They just dont feel right.

However the r300 is a different story.can play them no problem (i am at the moment). My swing can be not at its best and I still get good results with the r300. But always felt I had to have a good hit at it with the 6.0s which I like as im a hitter not a swinger

 

[Bobirdie]

Oh and I had a fitting done around a month ago 6i clubhead speed 83mph fitted for 5.5s.

that isnt much to go on though as the fitter said its how you load the px shaft its not entireley down to swing speed.

so id suggest you try 5.5s and 6.0s.

when I go back to a px shaft I will be going for the 5.5 as they felt alot smoother than the 6.0s

Dont re shaft either. Sell and buy another set with them in it.

I learned the expensive way

 

[Ethan]

DGS300 measures out at 5.8 on the frequency scale
PX 6.0 comes in at 6.5 so, on the face of it, it's quite a way chunkier than the DG.

Your mate's PX6.0 could have been soft stepped twice, that would bring it in at 5.7.

There's a chart here that lists frequencies - its a couple of years old now but has most of the popular shafts.
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/

But Ethan's your Man - The Man!

Just seen that you mentioned Flighted - they come in about .5 softer than the non-flighted version

That is correct for PX, which come out at 6.5 on the Rifle scale. But PX Flighted play about 0.5 softer, so they come out around 6.0.

So 5.8 vs 6.0, which is about 1/5 of a flex difference.

The comparison is further complicated by the different flex patterns of the clubs. TT DG tend to be tip stiff and a bit softer in the butt, while PX are the opposite. Butt stiffness is a source of feel for some players, so players who tend to be smooth swingers sometimes find PX harsh for that reason.

 

[harpo_72]

I have tried s300s, i have played r300s and they are okay, but low launching. I have px5.5s in my mp52s, they just offered a really nice feeling, gave height, and reduced dispersion. I did try other stuff but the s300 just felt rough, and the nspro950 and 1150 had poor dispersion.
My 6i speed was 86mph, my swing is smooth and I can get away with anything in regular if it has a stiff tip. So basically I am similar to the op. What I would also say is find out whether there is a head weight difference as this will affect the shaft behavior. So either stick with what you have or try a demo out before re shafting.

 

[Foxholer]

The comparison is further complicated by the different flex patterns of the clubs. TT DG tend to be tip stiff and a bit softer in the butt, while PX are the opposite. Butt stiffness is a source of feel for some players, so players who tend to be smooth swingers sometimes find PX harsh for that reason.

S300s never sparkled for me because of the tip stiffness and (Satin non-flighted) PX5.5s were definitely too harsh for me. Rifle 6.0 feel pretty much dead right - as do KBS Tour S. Oddly, I get on well with S400s! Never knew which rough I was going to end up in with NP950s though!

 

[Ethan]

S300s never sparkled for me because of the tip stiffness and (Satin non-flighted) PX5.5s were definitely too harsh for me. Rifle 6.0 feel pretty much dead right - as do KBS Tour S. Oddly, I get on well with S400s! Never knew which rough I was going to end up in with NP950s though!

The PX were first designed as a pro to for Phil Mick who wanted a board feeling with no feeling of looseness. Then other players picked up on them and they became a retail brand, alter bought out by True Temper.

Then the designer of PX, Kim Braly, set up his own company and designed the shaft he said he wanted to design when he did PX, the KBS Tour. KBS tend to have similar flight and launch to PX, a medium height but flat trajectory, but are generally considered to have more feel.

 

[Foxholer]

The PX were first designed as a pro to for Phil Mick who wanted a board feeling with no feeling of looseness. Then other players picked up on them and they became a retail brand, alter bought out by True Temper.

Then the designer of PX, Kim Braly, set up his own company and designed the shaft he said he wanted to design when he did PX, the KBS Tour. KBS tend to have similar flight and launch to PX, a medium height but flat trajectory, but are generally considered to have more feel.

I recall it was something like that, though some egos (and Braly appears to have a sizeable one) might have distorted the story somewhat. I think I put the PXs in in 2006, shortly after TT bought Royal Precision as I remember making sure they were the Satin ones - deemed better consistency. I certainly had them in 2007, because I was back in Edinburgh then and it was there I noticed that 2 or 3 links rounds at the weekend made the bones in my hands hurt on the Monday - so 'forced' to go back to the Blades/Rifle 6.0s!

Heard about the KBS Tours being much less harsh, so matched up some Vegas Blades (cheaply - come to think of it I've bought 4 sets of clubs, including the current ones, off that guy) with some when I came back down South. Indeed rather good, but hooked on TM300/R6.0s by then!

I think Braly has found the right niche as the Designer/Figurehead, getting someone else to (now FST) to do the Manufacturing and Production.

 

[kid2]

great reading fella's...

One point though.... Why is it such a bad thing to get my own shafts changed out.... I see in a couple of posts above that im being recommended to just find a different set with the 6.0's in them already....

Are clubs never the same after a shaft change.

 

[Foxholer]

It's just the expense!

If you buy a set with the right ones in, you can also audition them beforehand.

And the overall cost of the new ones after selling the old ones is a lot less than cost of the re-shaft. Unless, of course, you can do it yourself or have a friendly clubmaker.