Coil in the Backswing is it a Myth!

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Just been listening to BBC Golf The Cut! Podcast driving back home from work, on there was an interesting interview with Frankie Molinari swing guru Denis Pugh.

He was talking about what they've done to improve him to the level he is at this year, and all he said was we increased his clubhead speed for greater distance to go along with his laser like accuracy!

He spoke about how they've worked with a strength & conditioning coach to improve physical attributes of Frankie that helped Denis as swing coach to "take the brakes off" of Molinari.

When he was quizzed what does this actually mean, he simply answered "well in this case it meant removing the coil from his Backswing as most golfers lose power trying to attain a coil that's not required" He went on to say how the turning motion doesn't need to create a coil as this is not required to produce power and accuracy but instead creates unnecessary restrictions and that to the naked eye the coil being removed can't be seen as you still turn but do so more freely without trying to store power in a coil that can't unwind naturally! Thus removing it created a 6mph increase in clubhead speed in the Molinari swing and something all golfers could benefit from!

I remember as a kid seeing my dad watch endless Leadbetter videos preaching about creating the coil for power and repetition in the swing, hearing many golfers, club pro's and commentators talking about this mystical coil that when unwound unleashes power!

So questions did Big Bad Denis Pugh just shatter all those illusions in one interview, after all who wouldn't want a record of accuracy like Molinari with an add 6mph for that greater distance...

Now how to remove the breaks:unsure::coffee:
 

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I think it depends completely on your physical attributes.

If you're flexible like DJ or Rory, then 'coil' is an advantage.

If you're not flexible enough to get 'coil', you're going to hamper your swing trying to attain that. Simply removing the coil will not gain clubhead speed, which is why he had to work with a conditioning coach to improve his fitness.
 

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I think it depends completely on your physical attributes.

If you're flexible like DJ or Rory, then 'coil' is an advantage.


If you're not flexible enough to get 'coil', you're going to hamper your swing trying to attain that. Simply removing the coil will not gain clubhead speed, which is why he had to work with a conditioning coach to improve his fitness.
Pughs point was though that cool isn't an advantage to anyone actually more of a disadvantage. Authority and DJ tjerenswinga are more free flowing than coiled right up and this is what Pugh said creates the speed

With regard to flexibility actually doesn't matter how flexible you are to attain it's you could be be stiff yet still attain coil to a certain degree. Strength and conditioning coaches can only create a certain amount of flexibility in the body. What they can do more of is create increase power output, better muscle control & engagement for improved stability. In this case

Pugh stated Frankie had no issue with attaining coil instead they wanted to remove it as is a break on swings and actually slows you down.

But who knows only the experts in swing technique really and it's horses for courses so to speak
 
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As we are not rubber and from what I read our muscles do not 'recoil' really, I have never really understood the process of coiling up talk.

When I tried to coiled up, just felt like sooner or later I would rip or pull a muscle and felt very stiff and unflowing.

Certainly understand the get behind the ball and move though freely/relaxed and then release method to maximise speed and accuracy, as that's what we do with all sports from football to snooker to golf.
 

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There has been quite a few teachers online moving away from the jason day restricted lower half style coil up.

More old style big hip turn on the way back.
 

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There has been quite a few teachers online moving away from the jason day restricted lower half style coil up.

More old style big hip turn on the way back.
Yeah, if only there was a way of judging who was more successful! Major winner and former World No1 Jason Day, or some online coaches 😉😉😉😉😂😂😂😂
 

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Just been listening to BBC Golf The Cut! Podcast driving back home from work, on there was an interesting interview with Frankie Molinari swing guru Denis Pugh.

He was talking about what they've done to improve him to the level he is at this year, and all he said was we increased his clubhead speed for greater distance to go along with his laser like accuracy!

He spoke about how they've worked with a strength & conditioning coach to improve physical attributes of Frankie that helped Denis as swing coach to "take the brakes off" of Molinari.

When he was quizzed what does this actually mean, he simply answered "well in this case it meant removing the coil from his Backswing as most golfers lose power trying to attain a coil that's not required" He went on to say how the turning motion doesn't need to create a coil as this is not required to produce power and accuracy but instead creates unnecessary restrictions and that to the naked eye the coil being removed can't be seen as you still turn but do so more freely without trying to store power in a coil that can't unwind naturally! Thus removing it created a 6mph increase in clubhead speed in the Molinari swing and something all golfers could benefit from!

I remember as a kid seeing my dad watch endless Leadbetter videos preaching about creating the coil for power and repetition in the swing, hearing many golfers, club pro's and commentators talking about this mystical coil that when unwound unleashes power!

So questions did Big Bad Denis Pugh just shatter all those illusions in one interview, after all who wouldn't want a record of accuracy like Molinari with an add 6mph for that greater distance...

Now how to remove the breaks:unsure::coffee:

Just google musce length tension relationship and you'll get the basic biology behind it.
 

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Just google musce length tension relationship and you'll get the basic biology behind it.

Don't need to i'm a Qualified Strength and conditioning coach so I get the biology and science behind it very well, just found it interesting to hear a coach go against whats been seen as for so long a basic in term of swing to power ratio.
 

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Well, I am glad to hear it, because I always found the whole coil idea very unpleasant and get my best driving results with a relatively short kind of backswing which allows my hips to fire harder and faster instead of having to unwring myself first.
 

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Yeah, if only there was a way of judging who was more successful! Major winner and former World No1 Jason Day, or some online coaches 😉😉😉😉😂😂😂😂

How does jason days major record stack up against Bobby Jones? Haha
 

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I am pretty sure science has shown that the majority of the speed of the swing comes through the speed of the left arm (for a right hander). Think frisbee throw with your left arm, the additional coil/turn makes the whole thing work together. The trouble is that we look at pro's and think "ahhh that's how you do it" when in reality they may well be using coil restrictions etc to keep their timing together. Jason Day may restrict his lower body so that his upper and lower halves don't get out of sync.
 

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I don't really know what you mean by 'coil'.

I would say maintaining the wrist hinge longer in the downswing is what increases clubhead speed
I've actually started working on this based on a comment you made on my swing video months ago. Early days but yes, I'm definitely seeing more distance on the good strikes.
 

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In fairness, what people KNEW about the golf swing 20 years ago and what people KNOW about the golf swing now are completely different.

Players were told not to do too much training, especially with regards to lifting weights and that lifting weights could actually be counter productive. Instead they were advised to concentrate on flexibility.

Then this chap called Tiger Woods came along and the vast majority of Pro's who started playing post-Tiger are now absolute bombers who lift weights every day, eat 3 boiled eggs for Breakfast and chicken or beef for dinner.

Personally I think it would be a bit silly for the average amateur golfer to pay too much attention to what Denis Pugh says about Francesco Molinari's swing. These guys are living in a different world to amateur golfers who are playing different courses, practising rarely if at all and ultimately playing for fun.

I can completely get what he is saying, in terms of rather than coil up and use that to generate power, just generate power by being really strong and unloading an explosive motion powered by your own strength. But I think without spending a few hundred quid on a coach who agrees with Denis, it's probably not going to help someone improve too much to just go out and try it.
 
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