Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Which they have to pay for
Club Staff having free golf?
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yes because they paid a joining fee to be a full member of the club and all the voting rights , a stake in the club , county and eg levies , any club levy that’s required
Parsaregood
Head Pro
The should only have to pay the levies not a full membership. Your club is absolutely at it, I’d be embarrassed by that if I owned or was heavily involved with a club like that.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Why - he wanted to be a full member of the club and joined as a member
Parsaregood
Head Pro
Costs the club no money, pay his levies and all good. Club sounds stingy and desperate. I’d have second hand embarrassment if I were a member and he told me that
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
When someone joins the club they become a part owner of the club , they pay a joining fee to be a part owner of the club
We have limited numbers of members at the club
It’s nothing to do with being “stingy” - it’s the constitution of the club , if you want to be a member and part own the club then you pay your fees
that’s the same with one of the bar staff who is a member and one of the pro shop helpers who is a member
Parsaregood
Head Pro
Allow them the absolute privilege of being a member without part ownership. I am a member of the club where the membership in theory owns the club but none on the greenstaff or staff would be asked to pay any joining fee or subscription fees. It’s an easy adjustment to make at an AGM
KenL
Tour Rookie
Whilst I agree, I would be very surprised if the gk staff at the likes of Muirfield, Royal St. George’s etc get free golf.
They also might not want to pay the BIK tax that would go with such a gift
rulefan
Tour Winner
All our staff are given full playing rights. But unless they also join and pay the appropriate (age related) annual fee, they don't have voting rights.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
So how many of the 20 plus staff gets it all free
That’s 20 x £1.5k joining fee
And 20 x £1.5k every year
When a club has limited numbers of members where do you stop
there is no need to give staff full memberships
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
As @Hobbit previously mentioned. You lower the annual salary by the equivalent of the price of a membership each year and you have known loss of income but have an employe that’s getting a bit more for their worth! As for joining fee if you can’t forgo that for the members of staff there’s a bigger issue with the club than just its finances.
It’s easy to make it work on a balance sheet and easy to get through an AGM you just don’t like and believe your clubs is the only right way to do as it’s what affects you instead of accepting differing views and people not liking how your clubs run.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Or you keep the salary they have now and then the employee makes the choice on how they spend that money - if they want to use it to join the club they can
And joining fees are part of our budgets etc
And we are talking about my club and the way it works because someone said it was “embarrassing” -
rulefan
Tour Winner
We have no joining fee.
The General Manager and the Deputy have the annual subs built in to their salary. When they play, they will see and experience the course as other members do.
The caterer pays full whack I believe.
Two greenkeepers play but they have membership of courses nearer to where they live.
The two pros play
Of about 20 full & part time staff, no one else is interested
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
And that’s about it for us
The Pro plays when he wants to play in the challenges and matches etc
the Head GK has a few holes when he wants and plays away days etc - he is an igolf member
A GK is a full member as is one of bar staff , one joined when he was 17
The rest don’t play
When we had a GM he played the course but didn’t enter comps etc
When we had a secretary he was a member
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
Joining fees are easily circumvented for staff whether it’s in the budgets or not really isn’t that hard to work out as part of a salary package and easily reported through finance and accountants for this purpose. Especially as you said it buys them a stake in the club, simply don’t let them buy that that stake and report it through accounts and limit their voting rights.
And someone is completely entitled to say it’s embarrassing and I agree with them it’s an opinion and you don’t have to agree with it but to die on a hill saying your clubs got it the right way without acknowledging others are entitled to think it’s embarrassing and not want to be part of a club that doesn’t such a thing is odd!
As long as you’re happy with how your club treats its staff that’s fine many of us think it’s embarrassing and are equally entitled to that opinion. !! Anyway discussing this over and again with you gets us nowhere
adasko
Assistant Pro
what are the benefits of being part owner of the club, what's happening with your part ownership if you decide to leave ?
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
You lose it , if you leave
Being part owner gives you the right to say how the club works and runs , and of course if the club is sold you get your bit of the pie
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Joining fees are easily circumvented for staff whether it’s in the budgets or not really isn’t that hard to work out as part of a salary package and easily reported through finance and accountants for this purpose. Especially as you said it buys them a stake in the club, simply don’t let them buy that that stake and report it through accounts and limit their voting rights.
And someone is completely entitled to say it’s embarrassing and I agree with them it’s an opinion and you don’t have to agree with it but to die on a hill saying your clubs got it the right way without acknowledging others are entitled to think it’s embarrassing and not want to be part of a club that doesn’t such a thing is odd!
As long as you’re happy with how your club treats its staff that’s fine many of us think it’s embarrassing and are equally entitled to that opinion. !! Anyway discussing this over and again with you gets us nowhere
As said a number of times - other clubs can work how they want
and nowhere did I say our club got it “right” - they work how they want to work for the benefit of the members - there is no “right or wrong” And our staff appear very happy to how they are “treated” and blanket statements of “many of us think” - doesn’t really wash
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
As said a number of times - other clubs can work how they want
And our staff appear very happy to how they are “treated” and blanket statements of “many of us think” - doesn’t really wash
No one’s trying to bathe in it. But point out many of us find it embarrassing isn’t trying to make it wash it’s pointing a statement of fact many people have said they think it’s poor. Not trying to prove or wash anything what a weird response!! On that note enjoy your day sir
