Clocks go back this weekend!

Sorry Del. Don't wear it.
IT WAS NOT LIGHT AT 5.45AM ON SUNDAY MORNING.

Sorry, but it was. This would rather depend on the amount of cloud cover, but yesterday we had clear skies, and there was definitely enough twilight to walk about outside by this time, which I did.
 
Sorry, but it was. This would rather depend on the amount of cloud cover, but yesterday we had clear skies, and there was definitely enough twilight to walk about outside by this time, which I did.
I'm up the road and it wasn't light at 5:45 - it was started to become light after 6:30 when I arrived at the golf club - forget all your nautical light nonsense - it starts to become daylight conditions as the sun starts to rise
 
So you're in a boat in the middle of the Indian Ocean????
Sorry Del, there is no way it was light at 5.45am the other morning (and yes, I realise you meant after the clocks went back)

If it matters I can confirm that it was indeed light in the indian ocean at 5:30am yesterday morning (also I did have a look and I did not see Del, so I don't think he was here :))
 
Astromomical twilight begins (full darkness ends)

04:55

Nautical twilight begins (First light)

05:33

Civil twilight begins (Dawn)

06:12

Let me get this right. It was getting light on the moon at 4:55am, and it was getting light on a boat at 5:33am, and it was getting light if you are a civilian at 6:12am... but what time does it get light if you're in the army?
 
I'm up the road and it wasn't light at 5:45 - it was started to become light after 6:30 when I arrived at the golf club - forget all your nautical light nonsense - it starts to become daylight conditions as the sun starts to rise

Depending on cloud cover, you normally get at least 30 minutes of twilight before the sun rises and after it sets at our latitude, maybe a bit more if the skies are clear, as they were yesterday morning. 05.45 was actually 15 minutes AFTER official nautical twilight for Sunday, See the info I have already provided. I am more concerned about the early sunset and onset of darkness in the evenings btw.
 
Let me get this right. It was getting light on the moon at 4:55am, and it was getting light on a boat at 5:33am, and it was getting light if you are a civilian at 6:12am... but what time does it get light if you're in the army?

Moon army , Boat army , or ordinary army Brian ?

Irish army is 8.30am to 4.30pm so most don't get up til 7.30 is . so its bright enough for them to find the Curragh Camp :D
 
I was driving back to Portsmouth during the early hours this morning to get to work and I can confirm that at 05:45am it was dark, very dark!
 
If often walk the dogs well after dark, if it is a night with a decent moon and not much cloud cover, then it is " definitely light enough to walk around outside at that time". The torch never comes out the pocket.

I'd be quite for sticking on daylight saving time all year, but the way the argument has been presented has not helped that cause. Maybe should have just posted the Telegraph article and left it as that.
 
I was driving back to Portsmouth during the early hours this morning to get to work and I can confirm that at 05:45am it was dark, very dark!
Do you not believe the official tables I have quoted? There was a bit more cloud cover this morning and the sunrise was a minute or two later, so I am not disputing what you say, but if you were driving on headlights it might have seemed darker than it actually was.
 
Do you not believe the official tables I have quoted? There was a bit more cloud cover this morning and the sunrise was a minute or two later, so I am not disputing what you say, but if you were driving on headlights it might have seemed darker than it actually was.

No I don't believe the tables I believe the image that my eyes produce and as for my headlights making that much of a difference, stop clutching at straws.
 
No I don't believe the tables I believe the image that my eyes produce and as for my headlights making that much of a difference, stop clutching at straws.

Are you sure that you don't have cataracts or poor night/twilight vision? Why should the official tables be wrong?
 
As you may (or may not) know Delc, I am a very keen fisherman.
Had I walked out of my bivvie at 5.45am on Sunday morning I would have walked straight into the lake.
It was pitch dark at 5.45am irrespective of what your charts might say.
I will take a picture of my back garden at 5.45 tomorrow morning to show you how dark it is.
Three days won't make much of a difference.
If you argue that they will, I will take the picture at 6am to make up for the odd minutes.
It will still be dark.
 
Let me get this right. It was getting light on the moon at 4:55am, and it was getting light on a boat at 5:33am, and it was getting light if you are a civilian at 6:12am... but what time does it get light if you're in the army?
We Army people live, work, operate in the dark, what is this light you speak off?🌛
 
Just to clarify: both are before the SUNRISE

Nautical twilight: Nautical twilight occurs when the geometrical center of the Sun is between 6 degrees and 12 degrees below the horizon. This twilight period is less bright than civil twilight and artificial light is required for human activities.

Civil twilight occurs when the Sun is between 0 degrees and 6 degrees below the horizon. In the morning, civil twilight begins when the Sun is 6 degrees below the horizon and ends at sunrise. In the evening, it begins at sunset and ends when the Sun reaches 6 degrees below the horizon.
 
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