SocketRocket
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It's good that we have clever people like you to point out how stupid we are ?
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Kellfire
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I can’t help that you feel offended by being told that you trust incorrect or distorted news reports.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Perhaps because the majority don’t understand that they should care.. perhaps the issues lie in the method of communication.. I always listen to my wife under certain conditions otherwise my attention is elsewhere ??
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
There lies the issue, journalists don’t deal in facts their editors want to sell news and somewhere down the line the facts and the truth are missed, buried or ignored… then we end up with sides as opposed to informed discussion.
Better stop here as it’s becoming a political thread and I have kind of got that rolling.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Where is this World conspiracy that's feeding us this disinformation? The BBC, ITV, Attenborough, News Papers etc have been telling us about how Global Warming and now Climate change is affecting weather patterns for many decades. OK, some think it's disinformation and many aren't interested, many feel they are not in a position to do anything much about it, it's not disinformation as the information is out there for anyone to see. The issue is what will politicians be prepared to do about it, this is no different to the oncoming energy crisis.
Most people are clever enough to understand the subject.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
How did you draw that conclusion from my post ?. Suggesting you know what news I trust is misinformative and arrogant.
Kellfire
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It was a generalised “you”.
Foxholer
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The massive increase in the non-oil-based-fueled cars is an example of how a transition can (be made to) happen. Campaigns that spell out the damage the internal combustion engine causes, incentives to find alternative - including grants for research, targetted variable taxation and other charges - plus variable taxation/other charges all create customer pressure for manufacturers to change! So yes...a population can/does make a choice!
It is, however, up to governments to develop and direct most of the campaigns, incentives etc that 'convert' the population!
Foxholer
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You repeat yourself!
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
This has only come to fruition with the media bringing pressure. In the end had you or I chosen to make a decision on this as an individual, you or I would be on our own living the “good life” the point is 2-3/10 people doing it is not enough. It has to be 10 out of 10 … no half measures. Then this is where it all falls apart because there are changes required.. some very fortunate people will they think lose out.
Foxholer
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Perhaps you should have used the word 'if' as opposed to 'that'.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Wish everyone would just grow a tree and stop arguing about it all .. oh and stop commuting to work, stop getting on jet planes for your holidays, cut down on the red meat and reduce your own methane production…
Foxholer
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I don't believe it does - but certainly more than currently.
And the main poluter is still 'industry', so that area has to change, either by its own choice, by consumer resistance, or by legislation!
Oh and it has to be 'balanced' too, so that ALL countries agree and act! That's the toughest ask, as the major polluters are also the largest economies!
Kellfire
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Perhaps you should be less angry on the internet.
Please don't try and flame posts and advise people of grammar or spelling.
harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
Yes there have been some interesting excuses for not signing up to environmental agreements.. the one I like is “we have not had as long as you to create a mess so we won’t sign.. “
10 out of 10 is required or there will be equality issues and then we will have cast levels etc ..
oxymoron
Club Champion
Its ok to point the finger at the motorist and industry but , again using the car as an example , we just do not have the infrastructure to just suddenly (i.e. in a short space of time )
to switch to electric cars . Charging will be a drain on our grid and this will need thought and investment , as in another thread how are terraced streets and tower blocks going
to charge them? Where is the power coming from ? We seriously need to look at nuclear if we want to do this .
Industry will be slow to change ,and in some cases can not change as an example some of our machines have 20Mw motors we need a secure reliable power source ,unless you are willing to
gamble on your supply of medical gases for example .
to switch to electric cars . Charging will be a drain on our grid and this will need thought and investment , as in another thread how are terraced streets and tower blocks going
to charge them? Where is the power coming from ? We seriously need to look at nuclear if we want to do this .
Industry will be slow to change ,and in some cases can not change as an example some of our machines have 20Mw motors we need a secure reliable power source ,unless you are willing to
gamble on your supply of medical gases for example .
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Agree .
One simple thing they could have done is cycleways that actually go to where people work.
Most just don’t go anywhere ,( by me anyway). And they are run by charity.
Can you imagine the amount of roadworks to instal an electric grid for cars in every street.
bluewolf
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It’s not a conspiracy as such. It’s vested interests opaquely funding media outlets that peddle disinformation as a way of diluting the discussion.
It’s been done before with the smoking lobby. It’s been widely reported on regarding the Oil and Gas industry.
All they need to do is persuade a small amount that the science is debatable. Then we spend the next 10 years discussing whether Climate Change is real rather than what needs to be done….
Oh, and FWIW, the solution to the car industry isn’t just electric cars. It’s stopping people using a car at all. WFH, trains, buses etc are the actual solution.
sweaty sock
Hacker
My view,
I need more information. And, i need it spoon-fed.
Im onboard, politicians, David Attenborough, the world news have convinced me. We have a problem.
Whats the solution.
Anyone who says, seperate your rubbish and try and reuse plastic bags, will lose any sympathy as clearly, thats no where near enough.
Do we need to stop burning fossil fuel? Are wooden products now a thing of the past?
What are 10 out of 10 of us signing up to?
I need more information. And, i need it spoon-fed.
Im onboard, politicians, David Attenborough, the world news have convinced me. We have a problem.
Whats the solution.
Anyone who says, seperate your rubbish and try and reuse plastic bags, will lose any sympathy as clearly, thats no where near enough.
Do we need to stop burning fossil fuel? Are wooden products now a thing of the past?
What are 10 out of 10 of us signing up to?
