Climate code red

[bluewolf]

Are you suggesting a population makes a choice? Surely it’s the media moguls who choose to share their opinions…
Just enjoy life eat more veggies grow some trees and refuse to commute to pointless offices..

Radical I know.
Truth be told, looking around, I have zero faith that enough will be done until it’s too late. The people most insulated from the effects of Climate Change are the ones who have to make the biggest change. The people with the most influence have the means to avoid the worst repercussions.

Not going to happen is it?

 

[SocketRocket]

Radical I know.
Truth be told, looking around, I have zero faith that enough will be done until it’s too late. The people most insulated from the effects of Climate Change are the ones who have to make the biggest change. The people with the most influence have the means to avoid the worst repercussions.

Not going to happen is it?

Surely the people who are contributing the most to creating climate change are the people who need to make the biggest change, the people most insulated from its affects are not necessarily the ones able to make a significant difference. The major issue is how to get a World wide joined up plan of action that all are committed to, especially the countries with huge populations.

Probably not going to happen.

 

[Jamesbrown]

I believe the Earth will cool and warm either way has it has done a long long time before humans infected the planet.
Tomorrow the Yellowstone super volcano could explode and cool the Earth requiring us to to start knocking coal out to warm us up.
Own it, save up for air conditioning for your children.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I don't understand how us doing "our little bit" is going to alter things all the time the World sends it's production to a country opening almost 1 new coal powered power station every day. We are abdicating our real repsonsibility to other countries, then expecting them to do and change what we say.
If we wanted to make real changes, we would repatriate all production of goods we used to build back to us so WE can control how they are built and the energy used to build them. Its said we are all going to have to pay more , so it wont be a shock then when we restart to build what we need in our country for that 10p extra.

 

[clubchamp98]

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What about the women’s undies.?

 

[clubchamp98]

Can’t see it changing anytime soon .
Most countries can’t agree a trade deal in under 7 yrs.there just isn’t the will.
As for a consensus of the people ! Just look at Brexit there’s no chance.

 

[Foxholer]

It's time to accept that our cfurrent approach is killing the planet! There's plenty of scope/potential for the capitalist oriented folk - who drive the world economies - to establish proper methods to neutralise the rape of our planet!

 

[Foxholer]

The Planet is fine..it's been through this several times and it really doesn't give a damn.
It's been here for billions of years and will be here for a few billion more..

Deluded! It's certainly NOT fine!
And that report simply confirms what hes been known for the the las 10-20 years! Madkind's rape of the planet will/is destroy it!

 

[harpo_72]

Radical I know.
Truth be told, looking around, I have zero faith that enough will be done until it’s too late. The people most insulated from the effects of Climate Change are the ones who have to make the biggest change. The people with the most influence have the means to avoid the worst repercussions.

Not going to happen is it?

No, it’s not because people don’t want to do “cold turkey” they have got too comfortable. The system is about keeping a certain class and they are the ones burning the hydrocarbons.
I still can’t understand why packaging has not been sorted out, in the car industry whether your ready or not the law is passed and your meeting it … why is there a delay on packaging?
Also why has someone not thought about taxing office owners, asking them to justify why they need their employees to create a huge carbon footprint every day?
Sustainability is a buzz word, Bill Gates, Apple, IBM et al are completely responsible for huge amounts of land fill ( ironically typing this on an iPad ?‍) the point is they made stuff useless with perpetual updates, yet they did not make it repairable… but is there any legislation coming in? Nah not really it’s just hot air and fashion ..

 

[backwoodsman]

Deluded! It's certainly NOT fine!
And that report simply confirms what hes been known for the the las 10-20 years! Madkind's rape of the planet will/is destroy it!

I think you missed his point??

 

[bluewolf]

No, it’s not because people don’t want to do “cold turkey” they have got too comfortable. The system is about keeping a certain class and they are the ones burning the hydrocarbons.
I still can’t understand why packaging has not been sorted out, in the car industry whether your ready or not the law is passed and your meeting it … why is there a delay on packaging?
Also why has someone not thought about taxing office owners, asking them to justify why they need their employees to create a huge carbon footprint every day?
Sustainability is a buzz word, Bill Gates, Apple, IBM et al are completely responsible for huge amounts of land fill ( ironically typing this on an iPad ?‍) the point is they made stuff useless with perpetual updates, yet they did not make it repairable… but is there any legislation coming in? Nah not really it’s just hot air and fashion ..

Because the people profiting most are the ones who have the means to control the flow of information, and how Politicians respond to that information.

 

[Hobbit]

Because the people profiting most are the ones who have the means to control the flow of information, and how Politicians respond to that information.

“They’re behind you!”

Fairly sure it’s been mainstream news for as long as I can remember. Politicians decide what can be built where, and they decide on the legislation that curtails pollution. They have better access to science, and more time to read it. Perhaps the finger should be pointed at those that turn a blind eye to the dangers?

How many big businesses are owned by an individual and how many are shareholder owned and driven by CEO’s chasing profit before social responsibility?

I remember London pea soupers, Teesside smogs and numerous rivers that you couldn’t swim in. I remember the photos of 2 children that swam in the Tees below Middlesbrough, 1968, and the chemical burns that covered their bodies. There’s salmon and seals in the Tees now.

Political will can change things. But to suggest people are hoodwinked by the flow of information is simple, plain rubbish.

 

[harpo_72]

Because the people profiting most are the ones who have the means to control the flow of information, and how Politicians respond to that information.

That pretty much sums it up, in the end our political system is a toothless dog. We are all just persuaded by these media outlets .. best to stick to golf and play with a freedom to choose within the constraints of the course .
You may enjoy the film “the way I see it” on Amazon. It is insight of Obama as a person and to a minor extent Reagan and the general degradation of politicians and really questions can we recover that and retake our system or is it destroyed

 

[Kellfire]

“They’re behind you!”

Fairly sure it’s been mainstream news for as long as I can remember. Politicians decide what can be built where, and they decide on the legislation that curtails pollution. They have better access to science, and more time to read it. Perhaps the finger should be pointed at those that turn a blind eye to the dangers?

How many big businesses are owned by an individual and how many are shareholder owned and driven by CEO’s chasing profit before social responsibility?

I remember London pea soupers, Teesside smogs and numerous rivers that you couldn’t swim in. I remember the photos of 2 children that swam in the Tees below Middlesbrough, 1968, and the chemical burns that covered their bodies. There’s salmon and seals in the Tees now.

Political will can change things. But to suggest people are hoodwinked by the flow of information is simple, plain rubbish.

I think you overestimate the cognitive abilities and/or the will of the general public to know the truth about things that impact their lives.

 

[Hobbit]

I think you overestimate the cognitive abilities and/or the will of the general public to know the truth about things that impact their lives.

I think you are naive applying a single mindset to the general public. Some care, some don’t And some areńt bright enough nor care.

 

[bluewolf]

“They’re behind you!”

Fairly sure it’s been mainstream news for as long as I can remember. Politicians decide what can be built where, and they decide on the legislation that curtails pollution. They have better access to science, and more time to read it. Perhaps the finger should be pointed at those that turn a blind eye to the dangers?

How many big businesses are owned by an individual and how many are shareholder owned and driven by CEO’s chasing profit before social responsibility?

I remember London pea soupers, Teesside smogs and numerous rivers that you couldn’t swim in. I remember the photos of 2 children that swam in the Tees below Middlesbrough, 1968, and the chemical burns that covered their bodies. There’s salmon and seals in the Tees now.

Political will can change things. But to suggest people are hoodwinked by the flow of information is simple, plain rubbish.

So you believe that people aren’t hoodwinked by the targeted flow of information by certain outlets?

You know I respect your opinions Brian so I’ll just say that I strongly disagree and leave it there….

 

[Hobbit]

So you believe that people aren’t hoodwinked by the targeted flow of information by certain outlets?

You know I respect your opinions Brian so I’ll just say that I strongly disagree and leave it there….

I believe some are, but not the majority. I also believe the majority of those don’t care.

 

[Kellfire]

I believe some are, but not the majority. I also believe the majority of those don’t care.

I believe the majority don’t have a clue that the Daily Mail and the tabloids lie to them constantly.

 

[bluewolf]

I believe some are, but not the majority. I also believe the majority of those don’t care.

I believe that it only needs a minority to believe the lies. The targeted disinformation is designed to turn the issue into a debate. We shouldn’t be debating the issue, we should be working together to fix it.

 

[IanM]

I believe that it only needs a minority to believe the lies. The targeted disinformation is designed to turn the issue into a debate. We shouldn’t be debating the issue, we should be working together to fix it.

Is this is Covid Thread or Climate Change?? (if you see what I mean) That's the way of the world now..... everything seems to be reported negatively or in adversarial language.