AidenSmith
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Why not make these, great-looking (I think), irons forged instead of cast? It's like Ferrari releasing a fantastic-looking new car and fitting it with an engine from a Fiat Panda.
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RGDave
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Is it? OK.....if you say so.
Comparing Cleveland to Ferrari.....
Does that make Slazenger to Bentley?
Ram to Lamborghini.....?
Not much room there for Ping/Mizuno/Callaway/Taylor Made......poor boys must be quaking.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I am not familiar with the irons, but often you will find a particular shape (cavities mainly) does not lend itself to the forging process, and hence has to be cast.
At risk of re-igniting the forged/cast debate again, most golfers will not feel any difference anyway.
At risk of re-igniting the forged/cast debate again, most golfers will not feel any difference anyway.
freddielong
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In your opinion, they can't because you can't.
Brendan
Club Champion
Ain't Fiat made by Ferrari?
freddielong
Tour Winner
Ain't Fiat made by Ferrari?
Other way around
its all in the detail
AidenSmith
Medal Winner
Here's a pic of them:
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Yep, they could forge those if they wanted to, they clearly don't.
Freddielong, do some research. Try the sandtrap as a starter. Loads of work has been done on this, by pro's, manufacturers and mags. The consensus seems to be (apart from Mizuno) that it is all in the sound, and that with ear defenders on, no one is any the wiser. Clearly Westwood and Cabrera have no touch/feeling, and have chosen to handicap themselves with naff equipment, but hey, you would know better.
If you can feel it, you are dreaming.
Didn't want to kick this off again, as pointed out in the original post.
Freddielong, do some research. Try the sandtrap as a starter. Loads of work has been done on this, by pro's, manufacturers and mags. The consensus seems to be (apart from Mizuno) that it is all in the sound, and that with ear defenders on, no one is any the wiser. Clearly Westwood and Cabrera have no touch/feeling, and have chosen to handicap themselves with naff equipment, but hey, you would know better.
If you can feel it, you are dreaming.
Didn't want to kick this off again, as pointed out in the original post.
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birdieman
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I gotta back up Murphtehmog on this one. I have played many iron sets both cast and forged and I hit a lot of practice shots. The shafts are critical in the feel - sensicore shafts make the shot feel soft for example. Graphite shafts also makes shots feel softer too.
The CMM metal Cleveland use is definitely soft feeling, I had a set of CG1's and they felt super soft but are cast. I played Titleist 735CM's and they are forged but not soft at all imo.
If you hit a cast club pure it feels great as does a forged.
I agree that if forged was so much better then all pros would use them but of course they dont. Mizuno seem to be good at making amateurs believe they have better gear because it's forged but I don't believe it is. I have owned and played both MP30 and MP33's.
I can't 'feel' the difference with forged heads either.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Coming back to the OP it does seem a little strange that they didn't forge these - they're every bit a blade as Mizzy's or Nike's VR Tiger's.....
As Murph said - maybe they didn't want to....
Hey we've got these new clubs that look really great. What process shall we use?
Lets forge them - that way people might think the clubs are better than they really are
Oh what's the point - everyone knows it makes bugger-all difference - is it cheaper to cast them?
Yeah lets cast them....
As Murph said - maybe they didn't want to....
Hey we've got these new clubs that look really great. What process shall we use?
Lets forge them - that way people might think the clubs are better than they really are
Oh what's the point - everyone knows it makes bugger-all difference - is it cheaper to cast them?
Yeah lets cast them....
madandra
Money List Winner
I have the CG4 TOUR model and they are super. Forged or cast it is all down to the gunner.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Why not?
It was good fun
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Here is what Tom Wishon (club designer) has to say about the forged/cast thing:
Question: How Do Cast Irons and Forged Irons Compare?
Answer: The terms "cast" and "forged" simply refer to the manufacturing process used to form the shape of the iron head.
Casting always involves turning the metal from which the ironhead is to be made into its molten, liquid state, after which it is poured into a mold to form the ironhead design.
Forging involves literally pounding or compressing the metal, in its solid form, from which the ironhead is made into the designed shape of the ironhead, after which a number of other machining and drilling steps are necessary to complete the production of the ironhead.
If you have a cast iron and a forged iron of exactly the same shape and weight distribution design, the same loft, the same center of gravity position in the two heads, and the heads are built with the same shaft, same length, same grip and same swingweight/MOI, hitting the same ball, the shots will fly identical distances and 99-percent of all golfers will never know which was forged and which was cast.
Most of the remaining 1-percent want to believe that the forged iron would be softer in feel because the carbon steel of a typical forging is a softer metal, but scientific research has shown that the hardness difference in a metal alone is not enough to create a difference in impact feel. All of the other factors listed above are the reason for differences in the feel of shots hit with one club vs. another.
Question: How Do Cast Irons and Forged Irons Compare?
Answer: The terms "cast" and "forged" simply refer to the manufacturing process used to form the shape of the iron head.
Casting always involves turning the metal from which the ironhead is to be made into its molten, liquid state, after which it is poured into a mold to form the ironhead design.
Forging involves literally pounding or compressing the metal, in its solid form, from which the ironhead is made into the designed shape of the ironhead, after which a number of other machining and drilling steps are necessary to complete the production of the ironhead.
If you have a cast iron and a forged iron of exactly the same shape and weight distribution design, the same loft, the same center of gravity position in the two heads, and the heads are built with the same shaft, same length, same grip and same swingweight/MOI, hitting the same ball, the shots will fly identical distances and 99-percent of all golfers will never know which was forged and which was cast.
Most of the remaining 1-percent want to believe that the forged iron would be softer in feel because the carbon steel of a typical forging is a softer metal, but scientific research has shown that the hardness difference in a metal alone is not enough to create a difference in impact feel. All of the other factors listed above are the reason for differences in the feel of shots hit with one club vs. another.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Word!
AidenSmith
Medal Winner
Wow. That was very interesting. I'm relatively new to the world of online golf forums, and so didn't know that forged heads had been proven to be no softer/better than casted.
I've always had the "forged is better" view hammered into me, excuse the pun, from pros, gold club sellers, golf mags (I admittedly haven't bought one for about eight years) and friends, so please excuse my ignorance on the subject.
I've always had the "forged is better" view hammered into me, excuse the pun, from pros, gold club sellers, golf mags (I admittedly haven't bought one for about eight years) and friends, so please excuse my ignorance on the subject.
Aiden
I wouldn't admit to that last bit about the mags especially when you are on the best forum run in conjunction with the best magazine. Try the latest issue and I think you'd enjoy it
I wouldn't admit to that last bit about the mags especially when you are on the best forum run in conjunction with the best magazine. Try the latest issue and I think you'd enjoy it
AidenSmith
Medal Winner
That was my point, that mags today, hopefully, are more honest and objective. My not reading golf mags is becuse I haven't played much golf these past eight years, although I'm getting more into it now.
