Cink DQ from Zurich Event--Strange ruling

[rgs]

Watching Setanta-they explained that Cink was Disqualified today for an incident yesterday.

It appears Cink stood in a fairway bunker to play a shot whilst his ball lay outside the bunker, he put his ball into another bunker 180 yds away. His caddie raked the bunker Cink had stood in and Cink proceeded to play his next shot from the bunker 180 yds away. Cink broke Rule 13 as he was deemed to have tested the condition of the sand.

interesting rule.

 

[RGuk]

Is it April 1st already? If you've got to stand in a bunker to hit the thing...then that's utter madness...anyway, why did his caddie not rake the first bunker?
What if you hit one ball out of a bunker into another, are you dq'd for testing the sand as your clubhead makes contact with the sand in the first??

Whoever made this **** up needs a bullet.....stupid banker!



" Stewart Cink was disqualified on Sunday from the Zurich Classic.
Tour Officials said that Cink ran into a recent ruling by a USGA ruling on Rule 13-4a. Cink apparently stood inside a bunker to play a ball that wasn't in the hazard and then hit his next shot into a bunker, at which point he raked the bunker he was standing in. The UGSA recently ruled, "that the player is in breach of Rule 13-4a by testing the condition of a similar hazard. As his ball did not lie in the first bunker, Exception 2 the Rule 13-14 does not apply. Additionally, the answer is the same regardless of whether at the time of the raking he knew his ball lay in the other bunker. "

 

[bunkered]

Did you see romero remove the rake that his ball was lying against, could not believe he did not mark his ball

 

[bunkered]

Real, his caddie did rake the first bunker thats why he was dq

 

[RGuk]

Real, his caddie did rake the first bunker thats why he was dq

If that's the case....it's even more outrageous. Surely any player at any time could be dq'd for raking a bunker that he/she wasn't actually in and then going and playing a shot at any time until the end of the game.
Standing in the bunker is not "testing" but raking is??
Still lost for words....

 

[bunkered]

Just when i thought i had a good understanding of the rules this pops up,

 

[theeaglehunter]

If it is true I think it is absolutely ludacrous. How can they possibly come to that conclusion? Cink would have been enoyed enough when he saw (if he did) his ball land in a second bunker, without being told later that it would lead to his disqualification. Ridiculous.

 

[bunkered]

Eagle, its true am sitting here watching it.

 

[rgs]

If you play from one bunker to another and rake the first bunker thats OK-but you cant rake a bunker if you stand in it to play a shot and the ball ends up in another bunker-It appears to be a daft rule.

Could cause problems during your weekend game-your partners and following golfers would not be happy if you leave footprints in a fairway bunker.

 

[geronimo]

thats what i was thinking.

what would happen if he did not rake the bunker he was in? is there a penalty for that?

If i was cink i would never rake another bunker again when my ball was not in it or even at all as a protest against the most stupid rule i have heard so far.

As soon as you step into a bunker and wiggle your feet into the sand you get more of a feel for the bunker than when you rake it.

 

[Nico]

Am I missing something here? Cinks caddy raked the bunker not him,how is that testing the sand?

I thought that in the latest revisions that you are able to rake footprints even if you have not played the ball providing your partners agree that you were not testing the surface?

 

[RGuk]

As soon as you step into a bunker and wiggle your feet into the sand you get more of a feel for the bunker than when you rake it.

EXACTLY

I'm thinking this; I get mt caddie to rake a bunker for me (then unknowingly fall foul of the golf's most stupid rule). Before I play my next bunker shot, I ask "how's the sand?" to which he replies "sandy and wet" or "dry and shallow"....whatever......what have I learned - it's ONLY ****** sand!!!

It's like saying you can't be a nominated penalty taker if you've taken a set piece in the same game....

 

[bunkered]

nico you are liable for what your caddy does.

 

[backwoodsman]

Hmmm. Whole thing is a bit puzzling. Regardless of whether one agrees with the "wisdom" of the rule, the penalty for breach of rule 13.4 (testing the surface of a hazard) is two shots (in stroke play) and not disqualification. Perhaps he didn't realise that there was a penalty and hence signed for a lower score that he should. (That would get you disqualified).

 

[rgs]

Backwoodsman the incident happened yesterday and was not picked up until today hence the disqualification-Disqualified for signed for improper score.

 

[backwoodsman]

rgs - ta. Thought it would be something like that. (As I'm a cheap-skate who doesn't subscribe to the sports channels, I don't get my weekend golf news until the Monday papers)

 

[viscount17]

maybe the idea is that you play the first shot standing in the sand,
then play the bunker shot from the sand,
then rake both?
then get a time penalty?

 

[Dodger]

This is unbelievable....what would the rule makers have said if Cink had not raked the bunker he was standing in to play his shot where his ball was outside the bunker and behind a certain Mr Woods had driven into his footprints and taken 2 to get out of the bunker?
Just an unbelievably stupid rule and if I were Cink I would now not rake them!Also interesting to see that for example he had hit the 1st shot from a bunker that was behind a hill and it ends up greenside bunker which he could not see from where he was the same rule would apply!!Surely regardless of if he has gone into another bunker he is only being courteous by raking the sand.....he wouldnt have got much from 'testing' my bunkers as they are all different bloody textures!!

 

[Dave3498]

It appears that we should not rake any bunkers if we are just standing in them to play a shot, just in case we go into another bunker later. Sounds a bit stupid to me and certainly a rule that should be scrutinised at the next review by the R&A/USPGA.

 

[muttleee]

This is unbelievable....what would the rule makers have said if Cink had not raked the bunker he was standing in to play his shot where his ball was outside the bunker and behind a certain Mr Woods had driven into his footprints and taken 2 to get out of the bunker?

It's not against the rules not to rake a bunker - it's just bad etiquette, so it's really nothing to do with the rule makers. Anyway, contrary to popular opinion, Tiger is subject to the same rules as everybody else!