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SocketRocket said:
In that case its not worth continuing this subject with you. Just re-read your threads for the answer.
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To be fair, I re-read Liverpoolphil's postings and couldn't find anything to make you feel like this. I know that you will say that my religious views are pretty much the same as Phil's and I would agree but in his, and my postings, we have both acknowledged the right to hold religious ideals but simply that we don't do so ourselves.

It seems that whatever Phil posts gets "the treatment" on here, but, on this one I can't see where it is warranted.
 
chrisd said:
To be fair, I re-read Liverpoolphil's postings and couldn't find anything to make you feel like this. I know that you will say that my religious views are pretty much the same as Phil's and I would agree but in his, and my postings, we have both acknowledged the right to hold religious ideals but simply that we don't do so ourselves.

It seems that whatever Phil posts gets "the treatment" on here, but, on this one I can't see where it is warranted.
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Chris, I have no problems with your views , or anyone else's as long as its the subject matter debated without suggestions that anyone who has a faith is responsible for the ills of the world and their beliefs are alike to the 'Easter Bunny' and 'Tooth Fairy'

Below are some of the quotes from Phil that I find a bit offensive. I have to say that nowhere have I suggested I am a Christian or anything else, I have just been pointing out to him that his arguments are impolite and unfair.


Certainly don't celebrate any bloke being born ( or not born ) thousands of years ago.

I may think it's all a lot of utter nonsense but that doesn't mean everyone has too.

I don't give a monkeys about religion - I think it's all made up nonsense with make believe people regardless of what their name is or what religion it is

It's all as believable as the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny as far as I'm concerned

Religion and people's interpretation of the thing have been at the centre of the majority of the worlds problems

IMO it's all a load of rubbish but it's dangerous rubbish and gives people excuses to cause problems.


The problem I have and can see exactly in your posts is that religious people or people who have faith in religion can never stop arrogantly preaching towards people who don't have a belief in religion.

Religion has a history covered in blood
 
Sorry but what is the problem with those posts ?

They are my views about religion and not once did I suggest what other people are if they don't share those views

You say I'm impolite and unfair yet you falsely accused me of calling people "stupid or idiots " and then said I was prejudice against people who don't share my views - big false accusations.

There is nothing wrong with me sharing my views and I certainly never suggested anything you accuse me off.

You have no basis for your accusations and they are certainly not in those posts where I share mine and mine only views on religion
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but what is the problem with those posts ?

They are my views about religion and not once did I suggest what other people are if they don't share those views

You say I'm impolite and unfair yet you falsely accused me of calling people "stupid or idiots " and then said I was prejudice against people who don't share my views - big false accusations.

There is nothing wrong with me sharing my views and I certainly never suggested anything you accuse me off.

You have no basis for your accusations and they are certainly not in those posts where I share mine and mine only views on religion
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When you suggest someone believes in 'utter nonsense' something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny' 'a load of rubbish' 'dangerous rubbish' Are you not suggesting they are 'Idiots'?

Phil, you should try to debate the subject matter and not try to discredit those with contrary views. OK, if you don't believe in religions thats fine and if you want to quote specific data to support your reasoning thats also good. No one has suggested your belief is utter rubbish or nonsense, have they.
 
SocketRocket said:
When you suggest someone believes in 'utter nonsense' something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny' 'a load of rubbish' 'dangerous rubbish' Are you not suggesting they are 'Idiots'?
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Are you suggesting that my 4 year old son is an idiot because he believes in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and indeed Father Xmas? ;)
 
I may think it's all a lot of utter nonsense but that doesn't mean everyone has too.

I don't give a monkeys about religion - I think it's all made up nonsense with make believe people regardless of what their name is or what religion it is
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SocketRocket said:
When you suggest someone believes in 'utter nonsense' something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny' 'a load of rubbish' 'dangerous rubbish' Are you not suggesting they are 'Idiots'?
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OK - I'll say the same thing... I believe religion is a lot of utter nonsense too, something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny'. That's what I believe. Am I not allowed to say what I believe? Religious people preach what they believe!
 
Again I have suggested how anyone else should feel or believe - I have posted my own views.

Not once have I called someone an idiot because they believe in something I don't - not once yet you keep accusing me

Do I need to put the following comment in bold letters to make you understand

I HAVENT SUGGESTED ANYTHING ABOUT ANYONE ELSES VIEWS OR BELIEFS

I don't have to prove anything about my views - because I'm not forcing my views on anyone or trying to make anyone change their views or beliefs. It's their own personal choice - I have mine and have made it.

Do you see me telling people their views are wrong ? Have I told people their beliefs are wrong and I'm right.

I made a post about my own views and beliefs and you took offense to it and starting to falsely accuse me.

Now I can't stop you being offended by my views - I'm not going to change my views to stop you being offended. But what I didn't like was you making false assumptions and accusations about me suggesting people are stupid when it's false - very false and maybe you can apologies for that false accusation ( but I'm hoping too much )
 
Jimbooo said:
OK - I'll say the same thing... I believe religion is a lot of utter nonsense too, something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny'. That's what I believe. Am I not allowed to say what I believe? Religious people preach what they believe!
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Oh dear, now you've done it, but fortunately I'm prepared..........

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Now to sit back and enjoy.
 
Jimbooo said:
OK - I'll say the same thing... I believe religion is a lot of utter nonsense too, something akin to 'The tooth fairy and Easter Bunny'. That's what I believe. Am I not allowed to say what I believe? Religious people preach what they believe!
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You can and have said what you believe. If I said you are talking utter nonsense and complete rubbish because I disagree with you then I would (IMO) be insulting your intelligence and my own. I hope you can see that.
 
Religion = My imaginary friend is bigger and better than your imaginary friend, so my religion is the best one to follow and if you don`t like it, I will conquer your land and take from it whatever I want....including your life.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Baldy Bouncer said:
Religion = My imaginary friend is bigger and better than your imaginary friend, so my religion is the best one to follow and if you don`t like it, I will conquer your land and take from it whatever I want....including your life.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Sounds like the crusades ;)
 
The core messages of the worlds major religions are far from dangerous. In fact if they were actually followed the world would be a much, much better place. But alas the core messages are all to often lost because they do little of benefit to those seeking power.

I would agree though that religion can be a dangerous thing. In man's quest for power, they often hide behind a banner of religion. To justify their position the religious texts are *******ized and forced into the view that best sets out their agenda. Often parts are taken out of context. Attributing their message to the wishes of a greater power adds weight and ultimately creates fear which strengthens the control that can be obtained.


Someone did point out that man would find something even if religion did not exist. Nazism is a prime example of a secularist movement where academic and scientific thinking was twisted to justify some of the worst atrocities of human history.
 
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Baldy Bouncer said:
Religion = My imaginary friend is bigger and better than your imaginary friend, so my religion is the best one to follow and if you don`t like it, I will conquer your land and take from it whatever I want....including your life.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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For the last time. The major religions do not promote those things, they are promoted by man and human nature. If you cant see that then this conversation is pointless and something I no longer wish to waste time on.
 
palindromicbob said:
The core messages of the worlds major religions are far from dangerous. In fact if they were actually followed the world would be a much, much better place. But alas the core messages are all to often lost because they do little of benefit to those seeking power.

I would agree though that religion can be a dangerous thing. In man's quest for power, they often hide behind a banner of religion. To justify their position the religious texts are *******ized and forced into the view that best sets out their agenda. Often parts are taken out of context. Attributing their message to the wishes of a greater power adds weight and ultimately creates fear which strengthens the control that can be obtained.


Someone did point out that man would find something even if religion did not exist. Nazism is a prime example of a secularist movement where academic and scientific thinking was twisted to justify some of the worst atrocities of human history.
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A very good post.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I'm surprised that no-one has come up with the old nugget "most wars are over religion".
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Some people hide behind a banner of "god" when fighting or have fought in the past

Power and Greed rank very highly
 
SocketRocket said:
Chris, I have no problems with your views , or anyone else's as long as its the subject matter debated without suggestions that anyone who has a faith is responsible for the ills of the world and their beliefs are alike to the 'Easter Bunny' and 'Tooth Fairy'

Below are some of the quotes from Phil that I find a bit offensive. I have to say that nowhere have I suggested I am a Christian or anything else, I have just been pointing out to him that his arguments are impolite and unfair.


Certainly don't celebrate any bloke being born ( or not born ) thousands of years ago.

I may think it's all a lot of utter nonsense but that doesn't mean everyone has too.

I don't give a monkeys about religion - I think it's all made up nonsense with make believe people regardless of what their name is or what religion it is

It's all as believable as the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny as far as I'm concerned

Religion and people's interpretation of the thing have been at the centre of the majority of the worlds problems

IMO it's all a load of rubbish but it's dangerous rubbish and gives people excuses to cause problems.


The problem I have and can see exactly in your posts is that religious people or people who have faith in religion can never stop arrogantly preaching towards people who don't have a belief in religion.

Religion has a history covered in blood
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Thanks Socket, but in fairness there's not much in Phil's comments here that I would disagree with.

In post no64 it's you who assumes that Phil has used the term "idiots" which he didn't and that is simply your spin on his words. I think an apology is in order!
 
Liverbirdie said:
I know they do, but that saying is one of the biggest load of bull about.
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I fully understand people's need or want to believe in a higher being or a religion etc and I have nothing wrong with that

The only time I do have a problem is when those beliefs harm people

Or when people try to push their beliefs onto others.

I just prefer to believe what I see and expirence

It's safer and easier that way
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I fully understand people's need or want to believe in a higher being or a religion etc and I have nothing wrong with that

The only time I do have a problem is when those beliefs harm people

Or when people try to push their beliefs onto others.

I just prefer to believe what I see and expirence

It's safer and easier that way
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Nothing wrong with any of that, I was hoping to entice someone in who subscribes to the mantra I quoted.
 
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