Cheating

[clubchamp07]

Call me what you want. If someone cheats while out with me their in big trouble. I know it takes 2 to see and catch someone cheating, but if I catch u, I will soon let you know, with or without back-up. Rules are rules.
I wouldn't care who the cheat is/was, I'd go to town on them.

 

[chrisd]

We all know local golf is rife with cheating, its not just a Player sometimes its reg 4 balls it happens in.

I play to the rules and often take penalty drops from unplayable lies, no biggie for me, you sometimes have to take your medicine.

I would have spoken to his playing partners and asked if said fella was in the comp and taken it from there.

I can't say that local golf is rife with cheating, I play at my club in almost every competition and have never witnrssed anyone cheating. Now I dont mean that I haven't seen rule breaking where someone thought they were doing the right thing but wern't, and we would put them right without problem, it's just how you go about that. There was one guy reported for cheating and he got suspended and one or two names come up as people to "watch" when playing with, but cheating being "rife" if it is I must be blind when I play!

Chris

 

[Alex1975]

To be clear, no one is calling anyone anything. I made a statement and I will quantify it. A question first though, you’re on your tee box on a sunny afternoon and you see over on another fairway some guy kicking a ball out of a bush, you have no idea if he is playing in a competition or a friendly knock about or even if it’s the guys first ever round. Are you seriously telling me you are going to come off your tee box, walk all the way over to the dude and either start quizzing him or quitting line and verse to him? Or as some of you have suggested go and talk to his playing partners... I think your full of it and if you’re not then I have one thing to say, please avoid slow play at all times... oh and mind your own damn business.


Now to cover another point, If you were playing with me and your tried to cheat as per the scenario a few posts down you would not get away with it, I am not going to stand there and allow someone who is a friend of mine or is playing with me to simply make a score up, and sure as hell not if you want me to sign the card. However I don’t see a situation where I would go to club officials about someone from another pairing doing something they should not.

 

[viscount17]

I also think if you win and you cheated, you know you did not win and it will not let you forget.

sorry but this strikes me as either incredibly naive or someone who should be considered for sainthood

cheaters cheat to win; they have no conscience about it or they wouldn't do it, they feel no remorse, they feel nothing for those they have cheated. the fact they have walked off with prize is all that matters.

 

[HughJars]

I trust everyone not to cheat, I would never knowingly cheat but I am not sure I would tell on someone who did in a club golf game. I am sure there is a line I would not let be crossed in life but this is not it, I dont like a grass AS MUCH as I dont like a cheat.

A laughable stance in golf and in life. Cheats and criminals should prosper then, never mind the victims?

 

[Alex1975]

do you think may people cheat in club comps?


sorry do you think it happens alot?

 

[USER1999]

Not intentionally, no. I think in general we golfers are a fairly honest lot. Some rules get mis interpretted, unintentionally, by guys who just don't know any better. Partly, because the rules seem complicated.

 

[HughJars]

do you think may people cheat in club comps?


sorry do you think it happens alot?

Very rare imo, doesn't change the fact that not only would you let cheating slide, but you'd find reporting a cheat just as abhorent as the cheating itself. I find that an appalling attitude.

 

[viscount17]

not a lot, no but it does happen, mostly through, as Murph said, ignorance or inexperience.

however I did see someone cheat very early in my golfing 'career' though I didn't realise what I had seen at the time and he was neither ignorant nor inexperienced. tbh in his case it was likely memory lapse.

 

[Parmo]

A junior at our place fiddled his cards, only once played to handicap of 14 and usually plays like a 24 if he has not walked off before then. My point is my Target is 15 and working dam hard to get to it, so the people who didn't properly mark his cards are just as much cheating as him.

 

[Alex1975]

do you think may people cheat in club comps?


sorry do you think it happens alot?

Very rare imo, doesn't change the fact that not only would you let cheating slide, but you'd find reporting a cheat just as abhorent as the cheating itself. I find that an appalling attitude.

Appalling attitude hmm, well it’s a forum and you’re welcome to your opinion. You clearly have not read the whole post where I have stated that if you were playing with me I would not let cheating slide but that I am not the police of the golf course and am not looking around to find people doing as they should not. Luckily though there are less and less people like you in golf now days and its becoming a sport for your average man/woman on the street.

I’ll tell you this, if my buddy had kicked a ball out of the rough and you came up to me from another tee to tell me about it I would knock you out on the spot before dealing with him. This would never happen though because I don’t need to police my friends.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I’ll tell you this, if my buddy had kicked a ball out of the rough and you came up to me from another tee to tell me about it I would knock you out on the spot before dealing with him. This would never happen though because I don’t need to police my friends.

I'm sorry I find this attitude as abhorrent as anything else posted on here. I have seen guys blatantly cheat before. I've known guys who have cheated but got away with it for ages as there was never enough evidence. I've seen guys cheat because they didn't know/understand the rules. In all these scenarios I'd have called penalty shots where appropriate and/or refused to sign a card in a competition. Even in a friendly if the mistake was due to not understanding a rule I'd still call it even if it was a best mate. It is the only way to learn, the hard way.

 

[Alex1975]

I’ll tell you this, if my buddy had kicked a ball out of the rough and you came up to me from another tee to tell me about it I would knock you out on the spot before dealing with him. This would never happen though because I don’t need to police my friends.

I'm sorry I find this attitude as abhorrent as anything else posted on here. I have seen guys blatantly cheat before. I've known guys who have cheated but got away with it for ages as there was never enough evidence. I've seen guys cheat because they didn't know/understand the rules. In all these scenarios I'd have called penalty shots where appropriate and/or refused to sign a card in a competition. Even in a friendly if the mistake was due to not understanding a rule I'd still call it even if it was a best mate. It is the only way to learn, the hard way.

dont be sorry, all you have done is made your own point. Though you have not made it clear why you find my point so abhorrent? I think it’s simply that some old school golfer types like to poke there noise in other people business. I know for sure you would not cross the fairway from your tee box and come and tell me anything about a game I was having and that you were not a party to, it’s as simple as that.

It is not my intent to be a thug, as I have said, I play by the rules to the best of my knowledge, if I am not sure of something I will ask, If I make a penalty I will happily take it. So please don’t keep on about that point. On the point at hand, that I don’t like a grass, feel free to be abhorrent, I am as proud of my point of view as you are of yours. I don’t have time in my life to tell tails and I am so glad that I am that way.

Just to stretch the point out and give you an insight into my thinking, I don’t care if I ever win a club competition; all I want is to be better than I am at any point in time until I am scratch, so I’ll be busy for the rest of my life with my own shiz. Therefore I could not care less what anyone else is doing. I will be starting club competitions very soon and the reasons are, to meet new people, to push my game forward and lastly just to be in amongst it trying to be competitive. I you’re a 5 handicap and I am a 19 and I beat you on points, you still beat me on strokes so you win in my eyes.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I find the threat of physical violence totally out of place not only on a golf course but in society in general and especially the hit first ask why scenario you described. However I think once you start playing club competitions you'll change your opinion, especially if you get called for an infringement.

For what it's worth, I been in competitions before where we've had guys come over from an adjacent hole to qury something they thought they saw (in this case a drop from a staked tree) and to make sure everything is in order. Did anyone throw a punch? I accept that it probably wasn't any of their business but who was going to stop them. Far better for our group to smile politely confirm everything is in order and move on rather than waste time arguing and losing concetration by getting wound up

 

[Smiffy]

For what it's worth, I been in competitions before where we've had guys come over from an adjacent hole to query something they thought they saw (in this case a drop from a staked tree) and to make sure everything is in order.

Me being the gentleman that I am would never throw a punch in that situation.
But I'm not too much of a gentleman not to tell them to feck off and mind their own business.

 

[Alex1975]

No one was threatened, it was hypothetical and I am sure I used those wordings as a shock tactic, though I would be highly distressed if the above did happen and someone came to me to tell me about someone I was playing with. If 4 grown men or woman cannot be trusted to play a game together then it is a bad job and it seems to me lads, that you are playing with the wrong sort of people. =)

You’re trusted until you prove untrustworthy in my world. But I have really enjoyed this topic and am sorry if I have upset anyone, it was not my intent.

 

[Losttheplot]

Got to be honest I'd welcome someone if they came up to me in a comp and said 'excuse me but the guy in your group has just kicked a ball out of the rough onto the fairway. He checked to see if you were looking then kicked it when you weren't.'
It's welcome in my eyes. Someone blatantly cheating when we weren't looking.... Come and tell me, I won't punch you

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Got to be honest I'd welcome someone if they came up to me in a comp and said 'excuse me but the guy in your group has just kicked a ball out of the rough onto the fairway. He checked to see if you were looking then kicked it when you weren't.'
It's welcome in my eyes. Someone blatantly cheating when we weren't looking.... Come and tell me, I won't punch you

Totally agree. Also, mud sticks and if someone is proven to have cheated I've known questions be asked why the playing partners didn't pick up on it. Were they condoning it? Mind you at least in golf if you are proved to be a cheat you soon find it hard to get a game. Wasn't it Smiffy who had a mate cheat on a trip lately and spoil it for everyone else?

 

[HughJars]

Nice posts in this thread Alex. Your threats of violence on the course, and use of the word 'grass' and disdain for someone who would not tolerate cheating, says all there is to be said about you.

I'm out of this thread.