Celtic Manor Twenty Ten Course

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Having already “wasted” an hour’s valuable study time on here this morning when I should be writing my university assignment, I thought that I might as well contribute something myself…

In the first week of November two friends and I took the plunge and played the Twenty Ten course at Celtic Manor. The chance to play an upcoming Ryder Cup course was one we couldn’t turn down, and we managed to play for £90 each, with a very decent two course meal included (compared to the 2010 green fees they’ve just published that seems a snip – but that’s for another thread).

It was a stunning course (which I will try to review properly at some point), and tremendously hard, and I was really chuffed to hit 92 (par 71, 16 h/c). Both my accomplices were 100+ off similar handicaps, and neither played badly.

My point (eventually), is that although we managed to pick a relatively decent day weather-wise, it was still cold, wet and incredibly windy. The course was still in great condition, but it was quite muddy in places, and there was some standing water. As a resident of South Wales, I must agree with the concerns that have been voiced about the potential for the weather in the first week of October to be at least similar to that which we experienced.

Of course, it doesn’t matter about the temperature and the wind (though it could make for some interesting golf), but if there is even our normal Autumnal rainfall this year, I can’t see how it won’t turn into a mud bath. The course is built around the River Usk and several large lakes, and although the drainage is superb, 40,000 people tramping about (particulary given most viewing areas are on steep-ish slopes) for 3 days has the potential to be a nightmare.

Especially when you consider that they had to suspend the Wales Open in July due to flash floods, as the 18th fairway was turned into a river.

This would be of no concern to me, as I daren’t pay £100+ for a ticket, but I work for Newport City Council, and I’m already really worried about the negative attitude of local people towards the event, and I don’t want another excuse for them to criticise the whole thing.

Has anyone else played there and worried about the same thing?
 
I have not played it, nor would I ever be in a rush to return to Celtic Manor. I played the Roman Road course while down at a wedding in Wales and it was a sodden mess.

Money has bought the Ryder Cup for Wales and I hope that the course doesn't disapoint.
 
Sounds like a perfect home town pitch, can't imagine the yanks will cope better than the europeans with a soggy course. Reminds me of the old days when Wolves(I thing it was) used to water the pitch before a match no matter how wet it was, as they were the only team who had mastered bog football.
 
I have never played it, and have no plans to do so, but have seen it on TV.

I think it is a tragedy that the Ryder Cup now goes to places like these, and the weather is another potential disaster in waiting.

Where is the pride in the great UK and European courses that should have us picking great courses rather than manufactured Florida design courses?. The best (perhaps only good) thing about Florida golf is the weather and that is somewhat lacking in Wales in October. Home field advantage is a sorry reason for choosing a boggy field.

The RC should be at great courses that demonstrate European golf at its greatest. I will be shocked if the Twenty-Ten is ever anywhere in the top 100 on that list.

Still, it can't be worse than The Belfry.
 
Hi there,

I have played it. Sadly I cannot agree with the original poster of this topic.

Our society played there in October. There were around 50 of us and the general consensus was that the new clubhouse, levels of service and quality of food and drink were absolutely 5 star. Really nice building with faulous facilities and friendly, attentive and very professional staff.

That said, the course in my view is pretty poor and definitely not fit to host the Ryder Cup. It obviously wasn't quite finished when I was there but you could certainly get a very good feel for the track. The opinion of almost all players in our society was that it was Belfry-esque - manufactured from poor quality farmland with some water added. No history, no pedigree, no decades of continual tweaking and improvement. And it isn't even an interesting course to play either. Lastly, pretty American in style so hardly giving the home side every advantage.....

It is a crying shame when you think of the courses that we have in Europe that are simply sublime and have never hosted this event. Still, money talks and the Welsh have certainly thrown money at this project. Shame that the Ryder Cup comittee made this decision in my view - an unsuitable course for such a prestigious event.
 
Dunno where all this 'it's not links so doesn't play into our hands' comes from....we now and have had for the last 15 plus years,fellas whom will IMO perform better as a team on exactly the type of track the Welsh one is....long,big greens,big fairways etc.Look at the record of team members at The Open compared to how they perform at the German BMW say.

Slightly off topic I know....rant over. ;)
 
Haven't played it but attended the Wales Open last year. Can't remember if it was 09 or 08, but it was the 2010 course. We were there on a Friday and the spectator areas were awful. totally muddy - that was in June and on the second day of a relatively minor tournament.
I thought they would have improved things by now, but it doesn't sound good. What a shame

AliB
 
I read somewhere that Allis was reckoning that it may run into at least 4 days next year seeing as it is October so therefore likely to be wet and misty/foggy....he was predicting it to be a bit of a shambles with regards to play being stopped/delayed.

He also says the same thing about Gleneagles in 2014 in latest Golf International Mag basically saying it could be the beginning of a downturn in Ryder Cup popularity unless they change dates to Summer or pick the correct venues.

I always laugh when folk talked about Loch Lomond being a venue.....the place is drookit in July! :D
 
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